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[stolide]

Ask any (reasonable) questions that you want on combat and I'll answer them in this post.

Ask away.

Psiblasts are awesome! They are the best thing out there, right?

Simply put, psiblasts are useless against anyone who has an inkling of what they are doing. The notion of pushing a bunch of energy at someone and hoping it does something is not the brightest. "Psiblasts" are easily defended against and entirely negated. Generally speaking, the more unusual and creative the attack is, the better it is.

My shields are awesome! They are the best thing out there, right?

Shields are not that helpful against anyone who has an inkling of what they are doing. Sure, you're shield has 10,000 layers and absorbs any attacks that break through the mirror shields on top. What happens when someone teleports a "bomb" inside you? Space an time do not matter. What does matter are the associations of both the attacks and defense along with the "oomph" put into them. Keep this in mind for both offense and defense.

How long does a typical "real" psi fight last?

They last, usually, till someone can't manipulate anymore. A good figure to work under for two mildly intermediate energy workers of equal skill going at it is a week to a month. For those that are newer, fights tend to go faster. For those that are better, things tend to take longer. It becomes more and more akin to a game of chess.

How closely is the energy body tied to the physical body to even inserting pain on physical level? I mean because to inflict any sort of amount of pain won't be all that easy through energy manipulation. Do correct me if I'm wrong.

Subtle energy influences thought, thought influences subtle energy. Do not the use of "influence" rather than "control." How much a change in subtle energy influences the mind of the other person is dependent upon a great number of factors. Some of them are the sensitivity of the person, the persons defenses and how good you are. Generally speaking, the most a person usually causes in any "normal" amount of time is a headache.

What do you recommend for your average psion's main defensive measure(s) in medium-threat situations?

Depends on what you mean for "medium-threat." Normally, if you are fighting something/one stronger/better than you, you are screwed. You're only hope is to outwit the person on the other end. The best defense is not a good offense. The best defense is not being found. Cloaking shields and constructs that induce AOL are the way to go.

What would you recommend doing if someone is attacking you? Is there any construct you can use to tell the person to back off?

If you can, talk to the person. If not, attack back.

[The Adfeng]

I would suggest also that you add in some FAQ's, or rather name this Q & A(question and answer).

[Phantom]

How closely is the energy body tied to the physical body to even inserting pain on physical level? I mean because to inflict any sort of amount of pain won't be all that easy through energy manipulation. Do correct me if I'm wrong.

[Notagh]

What do you recommend for your average psion's main defensive measure(s) in medium-threat situations?  

Think Glock/HK with training for the average us  

[mech]

If you can't do manipulation in time and space, I'd suggest a dummy, a redirect and cloak system. But make sure the dummy isn't the same as your field, you can use them to find weak points in the original/test your attacks.

[69]

My shields are awesome! They are the best thing out there, right?

Shields are not that helpful against anyone who has an inkling of what they are doing. Sure, you're shield has 10,000 layers and absorbs any attacks that break through the mirror shields on top. What happens when someone teleports a "bomb" inside you? Space an time do not matter. What does matter are the associations of both the attacks and defense along with the "oomph" put into them. Keep this in mind for both offense and defense.

Nice one...LIKE it ><
That would be the biggest mistake ever

[surliat]

What would you recommend doing if someone is attacking you? Is there any construct you can use to tell the person to back off?

[The Adfeng]

This topic is being stickied so that these questions can be read and not lost in a few months' time.

[shadegenkai]

I need to know if there is a way to attack or defend against an entity that isn`t human or animal I really need to know but it would be better if I didn

[shadegenkai]

If I didnt have to answer questions about it please help if you can.

[DreadLobster]

How would you defend yourself to someone teleporting a bomb into your defenses?

[flamedancer]

How would you defend yourself to someone teleporting a bomb into your defenses?

It is not really teleporting anything through your defense. Things like that are based upon correlations and an overlapping of boundaries between the discrete entities involved. Think of it like this.



So, while space as we know it does not matter, you are still operating within a certain space that can be compared to a set in which it houses a collection of objects which compose your thoughts, feelings, emotions, psychological structures, etc. in which movement of one object to and fro is the result of information being shifted from the two fields of information overlapping. In other words, whenever a person aims to interact with you, they are not crossing any physical space or time; however, they are still establishing a correlation with you (which is mediated via some place more fundamental than what we think of as space-time). To clarify, when I say field of information, I do not mean a field of energy, a field of subtle energy, or any other thing like that. When I say field of information, I mean a field of discrete entities (objects) contained within some type of domain or set in which it houses a set of descriptions for the thing that it corresponds to. It can be thought of as a hypostatization of abstractions.

That being said, you can protect yourself by not allowing the correlation/rapport to be formed between you and them which can be done via a few methods. With telepathy, one method is simply not responding. A lot of times, especially with telepathic intrusions, we consciously or unconsciously reach out and reinforce, strengthen, or even initiate those associations/correlations which allow for that overlap to happen in which a person can interact with conceptual structures which represent you. This is where shields can be a bad thing, because their role is to create a discrete structure which keeps people out; however, it is still an object contained within what can be considered you. When a person interacts with that shield, they are making contact with you which is a correlation/association between you and them. Since the initial contact is a blurring of the boundaries between you and them, they can simply phase through the shield by moving around it since the shield, itself, serves as a point of contact. When you sense a person, an aspect of you is going to them and interacting via some type of connection, this can also serve as a point of entry where they can get around whatever defenses you have set up, so engaging a person can make the problem even worse. In these situations, it is often times very useful to assign meaning to a symbol which constitutes not allowing your mind to form outside connections, or respond to them, for the time being in which some symbolic act anchors this into your mind until a symbolic act of undoing it is done. This ingrains into your unconscious mind the instruction to not respond to, make, initiate, etc. external associations/correlations between you and that person.  

Cloaking doesn't work too well, because when you cloak, you cloak something in associations of what you want that cloak to correspond to which are entities, in themselves, as well as signs to what you think of when you think of that cloak. Say, for example, you cloaked yourself to look like John. This cloak is representative of associations that correspond, in your mind, to John.  In some cases, you might create an actual correlation between yourself and John which may prove problematic and not quite useful since it exposes you both. The not being found would not be handled via cloaking. The interaction between the entities involved allows for a person to sense you, so if you keep that rapport from happening which allows for that interaction to happen, you effectively blind the person to you and keep them from affecting you. With clairvoyance and psychokinesis, this is a bit harder since a person would be associating themselves to physical information, times, and histories which contain information about you, so this would be handled via extending yourself to the things you are attempting to keep them away from, creating connections/correlations to those objects outside of yourself, and, using a similar method of instructing yourself to not allow things to make contact. You basically extend yourself to encompass whatever you are protecting where you instruct yourself to not allow connections to be formed between itself and whatever you don't want near it.

A person would be unable to teleport any type of bomb to you, in this way, because they would be unable to make contact with the framework which constitutes you due to lack of a relationship or correlation between you and them.  

Rejection is also a good concept. You can think of it as a framework which defines a set of states where everything that is not described within that framework is rejected/not allowed. Think of having a field composed of various entities which correspond to states where the possible interactions/relationships would be a stream of information (bits of the datum/entities constructed into streams) where the possible correlation between you and another person is not included or is included in a way that is rejected where this corresponds to the relationships between you and another person where the connection, itself, is rejected. The relationship between you and whoever you are attempting to block is essentially a projection which arises from a template of information on a more fundamental/basic realm, so constructing such a template there will translate as such here. 

[Notagh]

How would you defend yourself to someone teleporting a bomb into your defenses?

It is not really teleporting anything through your defense. Things like that are based upon correlations and an overlapping of boundaries between the discrete entities involved. Think of it like this.



So, while space as we know it does not matter, you are still operating within a certain space that can be compared to a set in which it houses a collection of objects which compose your thoughts, feelings, emotions, psychological structures, etc. in which movement of one object to and fro is the result of information being shifted from the two fields of information overlapping. In other words, whenever a person aims to interact with you, they are not crossing any physical space or time; however, they are still establishing a correlation with you (which is mediated via some place more fundamental than what we think of as space-time). To clarify, when I say field of information, I do not mean a field of energy, a field of subtle energy, or any other thing like that. When I say field of information, I mean a field of discrete entities (objects) contained within some type of domain or set in which it houses a set of descriptions for the thing that it corresponds to. It can be thought of as a hypostatization of abstractions.

That being said, you can protect yourself by not allowing the correlation/rapport to be formed between you and them which can be done via a few methods. With telepathy, one method is simply not responding. A lot of times, especially with telepathic intrusions, we consciously or unconsciously reach out and reinforce, strengthen, or even initiate those associations/correlations which allow for that overlap to happen in which a person can interact with conceptual structures which represent you. This is where shields can be a bad thing, because their role is to create a discrete structure which keeps people out; however, it is still an object contained within what can be considered you. When a person interacts with that shield, they are making contact with you which is a correlation/association between you and them. Since the initial contact is a blurring of the boundaries between you and them, they can simply phase through the shield by moving around it since the shield, itself, serves as a point of contact. When you sense a person, an aspect of you is going to them and interacting via some type of connection, this can also serve as a point of entry where they can get around whatever defenses you have set up, so engaging a person can make the problem even worse. In these situations, it is often times very useful to assign meaning to a symbol which constitutes not allowing your mind to form outside connections, or respond to them, for the time being in which some symbolic act anchors this into your mind until a symbolic act of undoing it is done. This ingrains into your unconscious mind the instruction to not respond to, make, initiate, etc. external associations/correlations between you and that person.  

Cloaking doesn't work too well, because when you cloak, you cloak something in associations of what you want that cloak to correspond to which are entities, in themselves, as well as signs to what you think of when you think of that cloak. Say, for example, you cloaked yourself to look like John. This cloak is representative of associations that correspond, in your mind, to John.  In some cases, you might create an actual correlation between yourself and John which may prove problematic and not quite useful since it exposes you both. The not being found would not be handled via cloaking. The interaction between the entities involved allows for a person to sense you, so if you keep that rapport from happening which allows for that interaction to happen, you effectively blind the person to you and keep them from affecting you. With clairvoyance and psychokinesis, this is a bit harder since a person would be associating themselves to physical information, times, and histories which contain information about you, so this would be handled via extending yourself to the things you are attempting to keep them away from, creating connections/correlations to those objects outside of yourself, and, using a similar method of instructing yourself to not allow things to make contact. You basically extend yourself to encompass whatever you are protecting where you instruct yourself to not allow connections to be formed between itself and whatever you don't want near it.

A person would be unable to teleport any type of bomb to you, in this way, because they would be unable to make contact with the framework which constitutes you due to lack of a relationship or correlation between you and them.  

Rejection is also a good concept. You can think of it as a framework which defines a set of states where everything that is not described within that framework is rejected/not allowed. Think of having a field composed of various entities which correspond to states where the possible interactions/relationships would be a stream of information (bits of the datum/entities constructed into streams) where the possible correlation between you and another person is not included or is included in a way that is rejected where this corresponds to the relationships between you and another person where the connection, itself, is rejected. The relationship between you and whoever you are attempting to block is essentially a projection which arises from a template of information on a more fundamental/basic realm, so constructing such a template there will translate as such here. 

I used to do something like that.  I don't think it's that simple, however.  I would suppose the "information" stream can be altered, "projecting" a "bomb" to a "location.

[flamedancer]

I used to do something like that.  I don't think it's that simple, however.  I would suppose the "information" stream can be altered, "projecting" a "bomb" to a "location.

If there is no correlation between you and that location/person, information is not transferred, thus, nothing would happen nor would information be acquired. It is simplistic in aesthetics, but aesthetics is not really relevant to the function outside of neat things that your mind finds pretty. Think of a person as being the sum total of their existence, thoughts, emotions, feelings, histories, and everything that describes what composes them and how they came to be what they are. Instead of viewing an object or person as a singular entity, view it as a collection of discrete parts existing on various levels which comprise their existence. Gross manipulation of an object, or person, entails manipulation of a template which can also be considered the sum total of what you want it to be. This is done via a relationship between you and it where the boundaries which define the sum total overlap. Take the basic exchange of thoughts, for example. I think a thought, which is a tacit representation of my subjective experience, and you sense this thought. Information about this thought is transferred from me to you via a unifying fundamental backdrop where there is an overlap in the structures which define me and the structures which define you. This information elicits a reaction in the structures which define you as you where a series of changes happens in that structure resulting in that information being decoded and registered and my thought being known to you. If there was no relationship, correlation, or overlap, there would be no path for the information to be transferred, thus, no changes would be made on either my end or yours.

So that I am not vague, when I say unifying and fundamental, I mean an over arching space in which you have objects, times, histories, people, etc. embedded into it in which all the objects contained therein would have some type of continuity where explicit relationships between the embedded objects can occur via correlations which arise from associations between the entities involved.

To put it concisely, don't allow the rapport to form, and you break the person's ability to phase behind your defenses or teleport anything nasty to you. If you extend yourself to other objects while not allowing the rapport to form with other people, you blanket objects outside of yourself and even lock in their states.

A person does not use any power or strength to change something in an object or a person; rather, the person or object conforms to the template of information supplied in which the capability of the person to cause that conformity is tied to their ability to clearly mediate that template of information which depends both on their ability to form clear, explicit, and strong relationships alongside their ability to clearly, accurately, and explicitly form the template of the information which would be a representation of the sum total of all the states that go into that thing where you have continuous functions ending in something akin to an isometric projection with various isomorphisms attached.

[Mech]

I need to know if there is a way to attack or defend against an entity that isn`t human or animal I really need to know but it would be better if I didnt have to answer questions about it please help if you can.

I'm going to assume something along the lines of "demon (or what have you) you pulled into your house (or what have you) through rituals (or whatever). Get someone who has a lot of faith in a specific higher power. It doesn't really matter which one it's the faith in the method that matters. Get him to, through this faith, banish/kill/torture/knockout/ect the demon (or whatever).

The effectiveness is directly proportional to the belief the person has.

The method could be anything from a conventional house blessing, to a person who fully believes pens he touches repel evil from the environment they are in.

[flamedancer]

I need to know if there is a way to attack or defend against an entity that isn`t human or animal I really need to know but it would be better if I didnt have to answer questions about it please help if you can.

I'm going to assume something along the lines of "demon (or what have you) you pulled into your house (or what have you) through rituals (or whatever). Get someone who has a lot of faith in a specific higher power. It doesn't really matter which one it's the faith in the method that matters. Get him to, through this faith, banish/kill/torture/knockout/ect the demon (or whatever).

The effectiveness is directly proportional to the belief the person has.

The method could be anything from a conventional house blessing, to a person who fully believes pens he touches repel evil from the environment they are in.

Faith is a purely psychological phenomena in which whatever causes the paranormal thing to happen is basic to that psychology. In other words, the effectiveness of faith is extrinsic to the psychology of the person and is not an intrinsic component without something to act as a channel. For example, having faith that I can not harm you is a psychological/subjective thing where a person manipulating something basic/fundamental to you would usurp that belief. Take, for example, psychokinesis. Information is mediated from me in regards to my intention, a psychological structure, to another object; however, without that mediation, it is nothing more than an intention or thought in my mind powerless to affect anything. Faith should be thought of along the same lines. A person's belief in that pen is not that thing which repels the evil. The mediation of that belief to the pen through a correlation/connection imbues the pen with the intended traits making it a focal point and an expression of that thereby enchanting/charming the pen.

A lot people do not understand how a rituals, which use highly metaphorical and symbolic themes, work. The symbolism is an abstraction of either a universal intrinsic thing in the form of a ascribed virtue, or it is an abstraction of the entities/objects that a person is representing/dealing with where there is a connection between that thing, the person, and the representation via a basic aspect of the person acting as the connection between the external entity, themselves, and the representation. A magical virtue can be thought of as a particular which exemplifies that universal or intrinsic force. Think of it as an extended mind of sorts. This reflected in the seals. Sigils notate a particular entity in which a seal is a construction of the relationships that these entities, principles, forces, objects, etc. have with each other. It is a form of ontology. A ritual is nothing more than a symbolic representation of a particular thing which, together with the other mediums of that representation, manipulate what is being abstracted through a fundamental link. Intentionality first emerges with the ability of a conscious entity to model the world around it in which a particular direction is created after a representation of a particular state of affairs is modeled to themselves. A ritual is nothing more than a tangible expression of this with the idea that there is a link between this representation and that which is being represented.  

A sympathy/association between objects through ascribed virtues is fallacious, though, because it is superstitious to think that the traits associated with black interact with a cat thereby making it an object of ill fortune the same way that holding that a sacred object would create good luck charms and ward away evil is superstitious. I am not implying that there is a link between things by virtue. The explicit and real association which creates an actual correlation is done through the capability of the person to establish literal connections. In other words, the ritual, itself, pulled no such thing into a person's house. The person, themselves, acted as a channel for that being creating a portal of sorts in which this established connection is more basic to the psychology of the person (where the psychology could have played a helping hand).  

In this, faith need not be an intrinsic component to a ritual and a ritual can be done for more than psychological gratification. Beliefs and faith, alone, won't protect you from a real paranormal threat. Contemporary magical traditions have highly psycho analytical traits, but psychological aspects like that would only be reflected in the subjective environment of the person where believing that something has power imbues it with power to you; however, this power is not reflected in the external reality around you. This beliefs impacts your behavior and how you think.    

As far as how to defend against what the person was asking, the advice I gave in my earlier replies would work for that, too.

I am also going to say that people dealing with very potent manifestations should see someone who actually knows what they are doing over a religious leader, priests, etc. since the beliefs and faiths attached to this are not intrinsic, thus, they do not count as power. I have actually known some things to turn around and laugh at the person or kick it up a notch to be spiteful.

I would recommend an actual Magi or sorcerer.

[Notagh]

I used to do something like that.  I don't think it's that simple, however.  I would suppose the "information" stream can be altered, "projecting" a "bomb" to a "location.

If there is no correlation between you and that location/person, information is not transferred, thus, nothing would happen nor would information be acquired. It is simplistic in aesthetics, but aesthetics is not really relevant to the function outside of neat things that your mind finds pretty. Think of a person as being the sum total of their existence, thoughts, emotions, feelings, histories, and everything that describes what composes them and how they came to be what they are. Instead of viewing an object or person as a singular entity, view it as a collection of discrete parts existing on various levels which comprise their existence. Gross manipulation of an object, or person, entails manipulation of a template which can also be considered the sum total of what you want it to be. This is done via a relationship between you and it where the boundaries which define the sum total overlap. Take the basic exchange of thoughts, for example. I think a thought, which is a tacit representation of my subjective experience, and you sense this thought. Information about this thought is transferred from me to you via a unifying fundamental backdrop where there is an overlap in the structures which define me and the structures which define you. This information elicits a reaction in the structures which define you as you where a series of changes happens in that structure resulting in that information being decoded and registered and my thought being known to you. If there was no relationship, correlation, or overlap, there would be no path for the information to be transferred, thus, no changes would be made on either my end or yours.

So that I am not vague, when I say unifying and fundamental, I mean an over arching space in which you have objects, times, histories, people, etc. embedded into it in which all the objects contained therein would have some type of continuity where explicit relationships between the embedded objects can occur via correlations which arise from associations between the entities involved.

To put it concisely, don't allow the rapport to form, and you break the person's ability to phase behind your defenses or teleport anything nasty to you. If you extend yourself to other objects while not allowing the rapport to form with other people, you blanket objects outside of yourself and even lock in their states.

I absolutely disagree, but, hey, I'll check.  One thing I think would cause rapport, for example, was if at any point in time rapport was established or you were contacted.  Exemplary contact.  With seven degrees of separation rule it's likely a potential attacker could form a non-direct rapport, with people you have rapport to.  Plus, any rapport you may have in terms of ideas.  Either way, I also disagree that any rapport done on your part is neccessary for there to be a rapport, for I think all humans have a basic, binding "rapport".  Either way I'll be testing this if I have the time to do so.

[flamedancer]

I absolutely disagree, but, hey, I'll check.  One thing I think would cause rapport, for example, was if at any point in time rapport was established or you were contacted.  Exemplary contact.  With seven degrees of separation rule it's likely a potential attacker could form a non-direct rapport, with people you have rapport to.  Plus, any rapport you may have in terms of ideas.  Either way, I also disagree that any rapport done on your part is neccessary for there to be a rapport, for I think all humans have a basic, binding "rapport".  Either way I'll be testing this if I have the time to do so.

Precognition, Retro PK, and the basic idea that whatever does the paranormal effect, in physical systems, shifts the canoncial ensemble would mean that a point in time is not relevant. In other words, the point in time that the contact was made can be prior to the actual intention or, in the case of precognition, the event, itself, can act as the sender of the information to the recipient in the past. Since this is transtemporal, there is no time where a person was contacted outside that discrete state where the correlation was formed. We could only address the relationship between two or more entities in which the connection would be transtemporal and not really apply to a time that it happened. The seven degrees of separation rule would not apply in this case, for I addressed how that can be fixed where I explained how to defend against clairvoyance and psychokinesis. Human beings on the spatiotemporal level are physical objects like any other physical object, so if an entire history is blanketed (where the entire history would be the sum total of that which defines that particular entity, what it is, how it came to be what it is, and what it could be; this encompasses possible interactions that could occur among the discrete objects and interactions contained in that sum), as I stated you could do, it would encompass the people who have contact with you via seven degrees of separation (as you put it). This applies to the physical representation of their thoughts and mind as well. From my experience, people may not like it, though, because a lot of times they can feel your influence and it can make some people uncomfortable.

Look at it from the stand point that we both live in the physical world. We both live in the same spatiotemporal continuum; however, unless there is a physical contact between me and you, you can not physically impact me. This also applies to concepts of entanglement on a quantum level, for entanglement is just a correlation which results in matching states via an association in trajectory or initial starting points. So while, yes, all things would be contained in that over arching level, this does not mean that there are specific and explicit associations which serve as the path/trajectory/connection to mediate that information. If you don't have a means to mediate that information to me or a system that I belong to, it will simply be a negative intention in your mind and nothing more. It would be the same thing as you thinking really hard at a pencil - willing it to move - with it simply staring back at you. While me and you might have similar ideas and a rapport in concepts, these ideas are associated with nothing else but the other thoughts inside our physical brains where these thoughts are not entangled with another by virtue unless information about these physical entities (the thoughts encoded in the neurons in our brain) is mediated between me and you via that explicit correlation that extends beyond our own brains and minds, thus, manipulation on that basic sociological level would not be a psychic attack; it would be social engineering. Social engineering is a tactic that can be used to make a person think you are doing something where their attention zooms to you, in order to sense you, where that correlation/connection they are using to sense the attacker is hijacked.

As stolide pointed out, the concept of physical space can not be applied to the realm in which these things mediate information; however, we are dealing with objects (real or purely abstract) which means that there is an ontological space in which they exists and interact with other things that exists. If one object existed in a discrete state in total isolation from another discrete object with no relationship, then how could these two objects interact? If one object has a relationship with the other object, then this would mean that both objects are involved in this relationship in which neither can be involved if at least one does not have that connection since it is an ontologically exhaustive situation.

All your defenses will be moot to a person who understands these underlying connections where you do not, for they could simply just phase through all of them. Furthermore, neural networks are essentially weighted systems in which perturbations can lead to infinitesimal changes resulting in a collective shift. The same way that a machine can be influenced via the sudden spike caused by the infinitesimal shifts per the intention of a person to bring about a preselected result so to can thoughts be biased in the same way, thus, a person can use it as a powerful form of telepathic suggestion by preselecting the thoughts they want you to have. The neural networks in your brain can be called a noisy relaxation and stochastic process. Telepathy is normally experienced phenomenologically, abstractly, and conceptually, but you have to keep in mind that the in order for it to physical register, you have to have changes made to the brain, so they can simply skip to the end result of what they want to do. Experiments dealing with cells, micro organisms, etc. have demonstrated that behavior is skewed per the intention of the person where the behavior is a phenotypical trait (cellular localization of function is a genetic trait), thus, underlying biochemical sequences were manipulated. Since, as far as we know, it seems that psi shifts the canoncial ensemble of a system so that information describing the coordination of trajectories leading up to the selected outcome is constructed, a person could manipulate the coordination of trajectories leading up to a particular train of thought, behavior, etc. that they want you to have; however, in order to do this, they would have to first have some type of correlation, rapport, etc. with you which can be refused by the person making it so they can not tamper with your thoughts by pushing the thoughts they want you to think into your head thereby negating the attack.  

[shadegenkai]

Thank you flame dancer and mech I will find someone to help out ,if I can find anyone that will actually believe me, thanks for the help