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[psiworldadmin]

Rate us and give us your opinion.  Be honest.  You won't hurt our feelings.

[psiworldadmin]

So what do you think?

[Shaam]

I like nice,  crisp sites, where things are easy to find and easy to read. 

I think you have it set up very well, and I like it.  I rated it a 9.

[Oracle]

An 8. I really like the light color pallet, and everything looks really professional.

[psiworldadmin]

Thanks.  I found it.  Anyone else?

[Notagh]

7, but only because I expect so much better in the next 50 or so years.
Think Alternate Reality  websites utilizing sensory cues and m/b quantum processing...

*drools*

[Nervous]

I gave it a 5, it has'nt had the proper time to screw up yet, or do much good...

[Chaotic Seraph]

8.
So far, no fluff, the people are friendly, everything is quite organized, and I like the psilinks merging into the forums for people to have a wider variety of sites to learn from. All around it feels more friendly than the old PsiWorld. 

[Seikilos]

8, the site functions well and looks great. The lack of fluff is a good point too Seraph

[codelyoko]

7... currently the lack of fluff and new design makes it optimal, but with the addition of lots of new members, and lots of extra clutter on the site, i'm not sure how well the site will fair, depending on how well the modererators keep the site clean. I feel the outside "cover" site has alot to show for the work thats been compleated, but i also feel that the site needs to "get back to its roots" currently the site is attracting alot of the attention of an online community and not a psionic community... with 370-ish articles related to some form of "energy work" and 430-ish unrelated posts dealing with everything from count to 1million, makeing signatures and political debates (i understand that this is a vital component of the fact that this is a community and not a office)(i also know its the pot calling the ketle black in this case as i'm just as guilty if not more guilty than everyone else) The site needs to stay on task everyone is haveing fun, but what real progress is being made, i understand that fun needs to be had to encourage use, but both work and play must be combined in a sucessful match if you wish to have a sucessful community....

- Code

[Seikilos]

As you said though, it's a community, and not an office.

A community will complete a task more efficiently if the members are comfortable, and focused on each other as well as the task. I think that this site is getting to that point very quickly, partially because many members already knew each other.

[BobBob]

I gave it a 3. There's some good information, but the fluff gets in the way.

A complete newbie would be off to a bad start to start here since they don't know any better. A slightly more experienced psion would be alright, though.

[Nervous]

It's not all that fluffy, just a few ignorant bad apples, but everyone sharnks on them ASAP.

[BobBob]

While you're right about the ignorance being thwarted quickly, you're wrong about the fluff.

For example, scanning. The main site defines it as basically becoming a copy of someone. That's fluff.

[psiworldadmin]

I would argue with that.  For you to give this site a 3 and to not go into more details says a lot about your own closed mind and cold expectations.  Who are you?  How long have you been in psionics?  What do you know of running sites? 

[BobBob]

Pointing out false information doesn't make me closed-minded. And what more detail do you need? Some of your information is wrong. Should I scour your site and post everything I find that is wrong? Would you even accept that help?

I'm just a nobody. If I told you my name, you wouldn't recognize it. All you need to know is that I know Psionics is real. I'm far from closed-minded. You don't need any more information.

I've been into Psionics for many years. Over those years, I've seen dozens of sites, some great, like PsiPog, some terrible, like WingMakers and some decent, like this. There's great potential here, but it will die if fluff is spread to this new generation of psions.

Why does it matter what I know of running sites? I know a great deal, mind you, but still, why does that matter?

In my opinion, your reply was angry, as if I offended you with my comments. I'm sorry, but I call things as I see them. I've also talked to several people who have had very bad experiences on your former forums and when speaking (typing?) with you. It was always attitude-related.

Again, if I'm wrong, I'm very sorry. Don't take offense. That's just how your reply came off to me. If I'm right, that's a very bad way to run a forum.

[Oreus]

Bob, you are something of an unknown quantity around here. Please understand that. People respect the well-known members because they've proven themselves and their knowledge to the membership. You have not yet done this.

If something is wrong on the site, point it out to a staff member (i.e. mod or admin) in a PM. Include references to the material in question, and explain why it is incorrect. That way, you're helping to improve the site, rather than appear to be trying to discredit it. PsiPog itself had considerable amounts of fluff, but it was pushed to the fringes rather than consuming the site.

Furthermore, this is not PsiWorld. Shifted Perspectives is an independent site, with a different mandate and different goals. The staff and membership respect Karen, though some members (myself included) have had disagreements with her at times. We stay respectful with each other, and the community is improved as a result of that attitude. Coming straight out and telling an admin their site is fluff without explaining is not a wise course of action. The best thing you can do to earn respect around here is to stay humble, realize that you seek the truth like the rest of us, and learn from those who know.

PsiPog's first and last rules should still be followed here: "Be nice!"

[BobBob]

Posting a lot of information doesn't prove your knowledge, though.

And yes, I know all that. I'm trying to be nice.

Anyway, that's how I see this site, so I rated it.

[psiworldadmin]

Please forgive the anger, but you were rather blunt, short, and coming off as rude, whether meant or not.

It seems that you are judging this site off of other's opinions and not of your own.  You did not come here with a clean slate, but it seems, with your pre decided ideas and feelings and saw what you wanted to confirm your beliefs.

All psi site have fluff.  The great psipog had it's fair of fluff, but everyone was so determined to see through that problem to look at the shininess of the site.  Psionics is an iffy subject at best, attracting the worst and best of all people.  These abilities we claim to practice, teach, and study are questionable and inspire both nuts and skeptics.  It is hard to find a middle ground to keep most people happy.  No site, no matter how well done, written, run and censored will have some fluff.  It is hardly fair to judge a brand new site as fluffy when it has barely gotten on it's feet.  If you will notice, the few fluff threads have been through stomped on and logically explained.  You can not ban or lock up all threads over a few bad and poorly written posts.

It is suggested that you get to know the site, the members, the topics and allow the site to do the same for you.  We know nothing of you, your views, your experience and so on.  Once a reasonable amount of time as gone by then you should judge.   

You can also be more help, rather than blunty and shortly calling out names, by suggesting ideas of how to fix said fluff and other problems.  If you are unhappy with a term, make a thread about it and post your own definition or changes to the current one.  Keep in mind the reality of admin's limits and the social structure of the site, as well as the rules.

But I thank you for your comments and your responding posts and I do apologize for my angry and sharp words.  No admin is perfect, as admins are humans despite what people here think. 

[BobBob]

I don't think I was being blunt and rude. Could you please explain that? And how does responding with anger solve that? It only makes more anger.

I don't agree that a site can't not have fluff, especially on a small site like this. It just takes effort on the owner's part to stop it. Everything should be reviewed before being posted. If this site were as large as Psipog was, it'd be more understandable.

Apology accepted.