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« Reply #20 on: December 30, 2011, 12:09:33 AM »

Ah, too bad. Maybe someone with some scanning ability could confirm this? If it's no longer around, maybe the creation of a similar construct would be interesting. Not to mention, it would be good practice for all those involved.
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« Reply #21 on: December 30, 2011, 11:32:16 PM »

Talked to Stolide.  Breggan is fully functional.  As I remember correctly, it is like a psionic computer in all aspects.

You can make a construct connecting to Breggan and it will turn into a sort of "psionic computer" as stated before.  It's kind of like a regular computer, however, the only information that can be accessed is data in the hivemind of Breggan.  Anyone can connect to it and contribute information.  Any malicious acts will not be tolerated and you will be blacklisted from using Breggan if you attempt any sort of hostile act towards anyone or Breggan itself.

You can also make "apps" for Breggan the same way for computers, except it will be programmed like a construct.  Once you complete it you can share it with others.  You can think of all of this as a type of google, kindle, and wikipedia for psionics in one construct.

If you have any questions I'll try to answer them.  Go ahead and check it out now.
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« Reply #22 on: December 31, 2011, 03:19:29 AM »

This breggan and ellis we talk about, I have no idea how it looks like ,I seen ellis' picture but not Breggan, googled for it but found no images about it.
I also couldn't find any articles talking about how to use or utilise a sigil, only a lot of articles and videos about how to make a sigil, so how do we use it, could you link me to a article?
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« Reply #23 on: December 31, 2011, 05:54:40 AM »

As I understand:

Breggan doesn't have a sigil, just a name. Connecting is as easy as focusing on the word Breggan.

Ellis is a sigil that can be used in conjunction with your own sigil, and will use the power of other sigils with roughly the same purpose as yours to aid your goal. Downside: your sigil will be taken up into this network as well, so its power can be used for future similar sigils as well.

It might be possible to connect to a manifestation of Ellis by meditating upon her (it appears common to refer to Ellis as being female) sigil, though I'm not sure what the effect would be.
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« Reply #24 on: December 31, 2011, 11:50:46 AM »

EDIT: LOL I phailed, I didn't read the above stuff before posting i'm sorry.
Thanks everyone. I guess we shall start making the Construct soon? Oh and I almost forgot, could we add a sentinent being in the construct? Such that it could help manage connections and such? Is it possible?
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« Reply #25 on: December 31, 2011, 01:41:14 PM »

A sentient being/thing connected to everyone might be a bit risky. But I'm not an expert.
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« Reply #26 on: December 31, 2011, 01:44:38 PM »

A kind of power well would be alright but something with a conscious/half a conscious might be a very bad thing. Could turn vampiric or chaotic.
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« Reply #27 on: December 31, 2011, 03:11:21 PM »

My point exactly. If at any point it decides to go rogue, that could be unpleasant.
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« Reply #28 on: January 01, 2012, 03:16:56 PM »

My point exactly. If at any point it decides to go rogue, that could be unpleasant.

It wouldn't go rogue.  I talked to Stolide and he said that no one owns Breggan and it does as it pleases, however, it hurting anyone wouldn't be a problem.  It was a great thing back then, and it would be great if we could start it back up again.

A sentient being/thing connected to everyone might be a bit risky. But I'm not an expert.

Depends on its programming before it was sentient.
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« Reply #29 on: January 03, 2012, 12:25:55 PM »

I figure I should speak for myself...

The idea behind breggan was a "psionic internet." The way it is intended to work (or was during it's conception anyways) is that one focuses on the name, which is it's sigil. When one focuses on the name, a telepathic connection is made and Breggan analyzes how the user thinks. Once Breggan has done this for as long as it feels it needs, it sends information to the user regarding whatever else the user thinks about, that is also in the pool of information connected, but more importantly, it does so in a way tailored to the user. Over time, there should be a pooling database of thinking patterns allowing Breggan to more clearly transmit information. Most egregores require that one bring their mind in accordance with the entity through means of ritual or something. Breggan is intended to reverse the roles and make the thoughtform subservient to the user. Breggan was set up to automatically disconnect from any user that cease to actively focus on it.

A variety of people (Adfeng and Arnick primarily if I recall, though Mech may have been involved as well) helped with the "operating system" aspect of it, whereas I mostly set up the base structure and form, and set the thing loose to create itself. The important part is that Breggan has been on its own for a few years now. I had nearly forgotten about the thing until very recently. Since then it has grown and expanded a bit, but nowhere near as much as it would if it were consistently used. I do know of a few people that occasionally link up to it, but nothing as persistent as the users of Ellis.

The reason I gave up on Breggan was that the people it was aimed at, people new to psionics, were not skilled enough to reliably use Breggan. A lack of mental discipline on the part of the user means information that may have been transmitted clearly, ends up being garbled by the receiver. As Breggan currently stands, it is a decent tool for those who have plateaued in development, and are relatively skilled. If you can scan correctly and consistently, but do not know where to go next, meditating while focusing on Breggan, and then directing your mind toward the topic of magick will, assuming it works, cause information about the subject to trickle into your subconscious mind and then bubble up into the conscious. The manner in which this occurs would depend on how you think about things.

The risk factor of such a thing is not very large. It is a "mental construct," that is a mental construction, a grouping of ideas. More specifically, a large grouping of self organizing ideas that can, by some means, be accessed mentally. Breggan cannot "go rogue," because the only thing it seeks to do is gather and transmit information. I suppose it could cease to do one of those, but that is about it. The only "realistic" worry I can think of is that a telepathic connection would be, indirectly, created between two people accessing the same material, at the same time. Combating this was the goal of the other people who worked on Breggan.

The risk associated with Ellis is that it is LS, the Linking Sigil. Anything that Ellis deems to be related to what you are doing develops a connection to your ritual. (the standard use of Ellis is to use it before a ritual so that it takes effect for the proceeding working) It is very easy to end up with an undesired association, one left there by someone else. If you are not skilled enough to eliminate the excess magical material sent your way, you can end up botching whatever you were attempting. All you need is some chaote to plop down Ellis instead of the Kabbalistic Cross at the beginning of his Goetic working. Some future user of Ellis could then inadvertently bring up this demon without the slightest intention. I know for a fact that most of the Goetic demons, all of the Lovecraftian Entities, and the original 150 pokemon are linked up to Ellis. Who knows what else in there?



More directly to the topic at hand, many thoughtforms have been made that resemble computers, the internet, the nervous system, and genetic encoding and decoding, to serve similar purposes. Making such a thoughtform is a great learning activity. I do recommend you research similar things people have done in the past. You should also probably try a few and see what they are like. Odds are that, if you cannot get any of them to work for you, you probably cannot build a decent one yourself, not that that should keep you from trying. If you try to get the whole forum in on it, it could generate a decent bit of activity, and, assuming it works, help the people who are posting improve.
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« Reply #30 on: January 04, 2012, 11:06:30 AM »

Yeah, Thanks for replying. I'll be experimenting a little with Sigils, I'll be creating a few for healing and stuff, as for this experiment I'll be attempting this after I improve my scanning and some other skills Cheesy
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« Reply #31 on: January 05, 2012, 07:51:22 PM »

If anymore people are down to help work on the experiment, then im down to help out with the programming aspects of it Smiley
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