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« on: August 26, 2011, 02:19:55 PM »

Is psionics a simple side effect that comes with knowledge of "reality"??   Undecided

I recall stolide once responding to a question about fireballs: "
Seriously though, by the time one would be good enough to do so, you would not care about such things."

Sorry to put you on the spot, Stolide  Grin

So by the time we are able to do such things, we wouldn't worry about fireballs etc. and I completely agree.

So does that mean that it is not possible to be good at psionics without basically realizing "reality"? So would it help to try and work on that aspect rather than begin with psiwheels etc?
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« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2011, 03:26:10 PM »

I'm not sure how much it would help, but it would probably give you better understanding, and knowledge is power.
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« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2011, 05:30:57 PM »

So would it help to try and work on that aspect rather than begin with psiwheels etc?
I would assume a grasp of reality would help with a lot of things.

Is psionics a simple side effect that comes with knowledge of "reality"??
That's an interesting idea.  Possibly.
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« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2011, 05:33:41 PM »

Is psionics a simple side effect that comes with knowledge of "reality"??   Undecided

I recall stolide once responding to a question about fireballs: "
Seriously though, by the time one would be good enough to do so, you would not care about such things."

Sorry to put you on the spot, Stolide  Grin

So by the time we are able to do such things, we wouldn't worry about fireballs etc. and I completely agree.

So does that mean that it is not possible to be good at psionics without basically realizing "reality"? So would it help to try and work on that aspect rather than begin with psiwheels etc?

You seem to be asking if ability is a side effect of knowledge, but does knowing how a bike is put together or its purpose mean that one can ride it? The answer is no. On the other hand, does one need to know how to put together a bike to ride it? The answer is no. Stolide's answer is also unreasonable. If the purpose of x is to do y, and one does not need to do y, then there is no reason why a person should pursue x since y, which x leads to, is ultimately meaningless. Putting in the context, if how to do something is done with the purpose of making fireballs, and a person realizes that making fireballs is not important, then there is no reason to continue learning to make fireballs. Worst yet, a person can spend 10 years learning how to make a fireball only to realize that making one is pointless so they have wasted 10 years they could have been using for something else. Statements like the fireball one are made to save face due to the fact that the person doesn't know how to do the thing in question. Run away from people who give such responses.

Psychic abilities are rooted in tacit and not semantic nor explicit knowledge. This means that knowledge that or of something doesn't mean knowledge how, so, no, knowledge about the dynamics of something does not lead to the ability to do it anymore than knowledge of the mechanics of a car leads to the ability to drive one. Furthermore, psychic abilities are teleological in nature. They are goal or purpose oriented, so if something is meaningless, then there is nothing for it to be aimed at thus no effect happens.  

The underlying idea of psionics is flawed due to the very mechanics of it. Psionics is a combination of the word psi and electronics in which the idea is that psi can be used as consistently as  machine thereby creating an implicit idea of mechanism or determinism. An example of this thinking is the idea that psi is the result of complex factors in which if we learn it we can produce an effect every time. This is totally and utterly incorrect due to the fact that organic systems are stochastic and non deterministic systems, thus, there is no mechanical nature to usage psi where you will always have indeterminate and truly random fluctuations. Enzymatic reactions, hormonal oscillations, protein folding and expression, and neural activity are all stochastic, not mechanical or non deterministic; therefore, there can be no underlying mechanical nature to it. This also gives the illusions that it is a byproduct, derived, or reducible which is also incorrect. In short, no, psychic ability is not a derived or reduced property of something; it is fundamental. Knowledge of what or of or that is not knowledge of how, so, no, knowledge of the theory won't give psychic abilities.
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« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2011, 05:43:26 PM »

Statements like the fireball one are made to save face due to the fact that the person doesn't know how to do the thing in question. Run away from people who give such responses.
A bit off-topic.  I would like to note that I do not think anyone here claimed to be able to make a fireball.  Sorry to disappoint.

That being said, there has been some claims to that nature outside of here.
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« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2011, 12:14:53 AM »

If I recall correctly, someone was asking about the idea of making a fireball with psionics on tkforums.net.

I am still of the opinion expressed therein, and do not think the person I responded to (I do not remember whom) was suggesting that they were able to produce flame.

More on topic, what do you mean by "realizing reality?" I do not think that somehow having knowledge of what "really exists" somehow gives one an intuitive ability to influence the environment in a difficult to explain fashion. Perhaps you should flesh out the idea a bit more and see if you can come to a more precise idea of what you mean.
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« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2011, 12:39:15 PM »

I think the was being spoken from is that you start off just wanting to do cool stuff but you go so long your beliefs about life and what you want out of it radically change and you no longer want what you wanted when you first began because you begin to mature more and understand what will really make you happy.

i for one can now do what I came into psiionics for in the first place. My third eye is open (or ability to perceive out of mind. Third eye metaphor is what limited it fromo growing in first place) and if i want to i can see energy all the time.

I told myself if that ever happened i'd be reading peoples minds to predict their movements in videogames and deceiving people into thinking im dope but i'm really just psychic without me knowing it.


This may be different for others and is just my experience. But after i completely gave up the desire to do such a thing and I mature did the power come, and quite easily. i wasn't doing third eye meditation or anything. it just popped up as a gift from GOD really.


It's just that you go through so much and you begin to learn so much about yourself that you just transform really.
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« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2011, 04:50:19 PM »

More on topic, what do you mean by "realizing reality?" I do not think that somehow having knowledge of what "really exists" somehow gives one an intuitive ability to influence the environment in a difficult to explain fashion. Perhaps you should flesh out the idea a bit more and see if you can come to a more precise idea of what you mean.

Sorry, I should have been clearer Smiley

I mean what is commonly referred to as enlightenment, the end product of high magic or other "higher" spiritual practises designed to create change in the perception of the individual in which he/she feels at one with everything else.

So I guess what I was asking was basically what INFINITE LIGHT says: One starts out wanting to make a fireball for happiness (which is the root cause) while one discovers through "Higher" spiritual practises that "happiness comes from within" and then there is no more purpose for the fireball?
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« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2011, 10:19:28 AM »

Yes.

The way it sounds and the way it happens is a little different though.

You start off not seeing how that's going to come about. But perhaps your ego journey ends. And when ego journey ends, spirit journey begins.

That's what happened for me.

But ego journey is fun. And fire ball and ego journey is meant to harm while fire ball in spirit journey is meant to warm the heart and transform the will into action.

Not exactly those things, but you switch the functions of your ability to attacks and defenses to creations of a reality you want.
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« Reply #9 on: September 01, 2011, 01:54:22 PM »

Heard it was a side effect of deep meditation and trance, but I like light's post on it better.
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« Reply #10 on: September 01, 2011, 07:32:06 PM »

Thank you very much.


Don't call it a side eeffect of meditation though. That doesn't make sense.

It is the RESULTS of meditation.

It's not an effect that your getting on the side that you did or did not desire.

To some, that's the very reason they are doing it.
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