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[Mech]

Just bringing it in here. If you lock it The Adfeng or any other mod, I will be a very mad panda.

yamitenshi:
You know, Natus has a point. You come here presenting "evidence" that might as well be made up or edited (have to admit I only saw that moon rising page in any detail) as if it's the only truth in the world (much the same as religious fanatics present whatever holy book they follow!). What you say might be true. Or it might be false. But spouting all this in such a way implying that anyone who doesn't believe you is ignorant is *not* the way to inform people. Nor does it make you convincing. It only serves to piss people off, as Natus has aptly demonstrated.

Natus:
Lol! "I'm not saying you as an individual are ignorant, just society as a whole,"  I realize I'm biased, but I'm not over here expressing my biased opinions in such a way that I'm trying to force it down someone's throat.

Adroit Luminary:
(@ Yaminteshi)- Again you misunderstand me. The entire point is that yes, there are other â??truthsâ?? out there and the truth that you hold in your heart, mind, soul, and spirit is the truth that will apply to all of the decisions you make in life; your belief system. Never did I say that anyone who doesnâ??t believe or accept my overall portrait of this planetâ??s circumstances is ignorant. The way I presented my opinion on the matter may make you feel that way because of what you believe. I simply stated that ignorance would be to think that for one second that we are alone out here on this floating orb in the middle of this empty space. How could we, can we, let this foolish ego-centered belief shape our reality here for so long on this planet? It must go; do you not agree? The evidence is more than compelling. On what other scientific basis do you place your belief on how we just manifested as intelligent beings on this planet. Amongst all the chaos of the natural universe, it has been scientifically proven, that this is impossible. It has also been scientifically proven that there is inevitably a galore of other beings out there.

(@ Natus)- Natus this is not about me or you. It is about our society as a whole; the majority. You cannot deny that we have portrayed an ignorant image of ourselves over the years and acted arrogant in our actions. If you were to look at it from an aspect that does indeed put us at the time to choooooose one way or the other then you would see us as a race of big babies that canâ??t seem to interact with one another without trying to jip, screw, or otherwise harm each other. Clue said that sometimes people need this crazy natural disaster *ish to happen for people to wake up and change; think for themselves. I agree and this is why I even bother spilling my spiel all over this Shoutbox. Because, we as Psionâ??s have an opportunity amongst this chaos to organize and manifest a new, more positive, reality for the rest of our less aware and informed brothers and sisters on this planet. If we know whatâ??s to come, these natural events that have presented themselves to the people of this planet for thousands, maybe millions of years, time and time again; religiously even.  Then we can avoid and evade death in the storm at all costs. Fight to runaway to fight again; for the greater good.

Mech:

"Aliens are plausibly real, therefore they did make contact with our government"

- Ad Ignorantiam, False Dichotomy

"My morals are the best thing for humanity, following them will make our race better. We need to lose our arogance"

-Wow

"The evidence is more than compelling. On what other scientific basis do you place your belief on how we just manifested as intelligent beings on this planet."

-False dichotomy (Evolution must not be possible therefore we are created), You're also arguing for an uncaused cause by saying you can't have an uncaused cause, which is called inconsistancy.

"Amongst all the chaos of the natural universe, it has been scientifically proven, that this is impossible."

-Confusing currently unexplained with unexplainable, Argument based on personal incredulity (I don't have the knowledge to explain it, therefore it must be false)

Let's continue...

[Natus]

"My morals are the best thing for humanity....We need to lose our arrogance"

"My morals are the best thing for humanity...We need to lose our arrogance"

Adroit Luminary, I would like to see you admit that since you are a part of the community, you too- are ignorant. Since you know the community as a whole is ignorant, after all.

[Adroit Luminary]

Lmao now thats rich who the *buck said that my morals are the best for humanity rofl. The first two of those quotes are definitley not from me.

[Natus]

Psychology is fun when you know what you're doing.

[Mech]

Yeah sorry, those were just overarching themes, so you dont believe extraterrestrials contacted our government. Also clarify what you want to impose on humanity?

[Natus]

Maybe I'm just being a cyber bully. Why should we follow you?

[Adroit Luminary]

  No, I don't consider myself as a part of the current overall community(How about you? Do you consider yourself akin to the majority of our brain-washed society?) that I am referring to, although I am indeed ignorant of somethings (for I do not know everything about everything); so yes Natus I am ignorant.

Well Mech, although I never stated that I believed extraterrestrials contacted our government; I do believe this to be true. If extraterrestrials were to arrive on our planet, then who would they consult with if they wished to have any interaction at all with us on a face to face level? Our governments.

 Interaction on this level would allow us to have a say on the influence that the extraterrestrials in question might have on our race/civilization(as a whole); and this is where I think it probably got a little sticky & complicated for us. Given that they may have developed "psionic" abilities that far out-weigh our own development of such abilities; abilities that our politcal figures are alot of the times ignorant to or otherwise just unaware & un-weary of. And then we have the added factor of the extraterretrials' highly-advanced technology that allowed them to reach us and who know's what else.

I'd say golbalism is an inevitability if we wish to raise our global awareness and vibration. As well as re-establishing a new system by which to govern our people. Other than that I think we'd just have to be more eco-friendly, maybe a bit more communistic in our new approach, more truthful, & more attentive to the education of our youth. But these issues would have to be regulated by the vote of the people; right?

I think that a catastrophic event setting the majority of us back to the Stone Age is an inevetibale circumstance that presents itself in a never-ending cycle on a multi-thousand(or million) year scale. This, I see as an opportunity for us psions to take advantage of the mass populace's dumbfounded expression and new-found open-mindedness(that is also a predictable reaction to such an event) caused by the then-blatant feigned innocence of governments(exposing their infidelities).

[SoSaTr]

No, I don't consider myself as a part of the current overall community(How about you? Do you consider yourself akin to the majority of our brain-washed society?)

Well there's only one thing that can be said to this.

If extraterrestrials were to arrive on our planet, then who would they consult with if they wished to have any interaction at all with us on a face to face level? Our governments.

That makes perfect sense to a human, of course.
But obviously you haven't taken a basic biology class.

To know this, they would need a basic understanding of human culture.
This means they need to communicate.

Aliens are probably not even carbon-based life forms that have evolved a similar way to life on earth, let alone something that would understand any language or culture as we know it.

But you believe that they contacted what only a human could think of as a leader of a powerful country.
This is sounding more and more like BS the more I see it.


But really, congratulations, you can act high and mighty and say that we're all sheep.
So can a webcomic.

[Adroit Luminary]

To know this, they would need a basic understanding of human culture.
This means they need to communicate.

What makes you think that an extraterrestrial wouldn't have the ability to communicate if it were intelligent enough to make it here....

That makes perfect sense to a human, of course,

who may or may not have even developed an ability to communicate through telepathic means.

Supposing that they could make it here, I think, that we should be able to presuppose that they could communicate with us. Why wouldn't they have an understanding of human culture? They would undoubtedly have some type of culture of their own to compare our customs to and if not; then I would expect technology to have been developed that could be a tool for communication with another race or species. Even if it were as simple as showing the monkey a picture of a bannana(because you, me, and I'm sure an extraterrestrial; could make the clear assessment that certain monkeys flock to bannanas or eat them all day) it would suffice as some form of minimal communication.

Aliens are probably not even carbon-based life forms that have evolved a similar way to life on earth...

Becauuuuuseeee, carbon isn't the sixth most abundant element in the universe? I know there is definitley more to it than that, but hasn't science proved, as mentioned I mentioned earlier, that there is no way by the stretch of even your most schizophrenic scientist's imagination, that humans could have evolved to become the most dominant form of life on the planet Earth; let alone evolved to become as intelligent as we have in the time span that is said that we did it(that is if you do think us intelligent; something I'm considerably starting to call into question).

But you believe that they contacted what only a human could think of as a leader of a powerful country.

And frankly, I don't recall myself calling any of the heads governing the territorial lines of the planet that we call countries; leaders. Or otherwise remember referring to any country(or block of land; it'd be really hard to decipher what that is right?) that we have deemed ourselves the "owner's of"; as powerful.

[Mech]

Random protip cause I don't have enough time to debate.

Protip: Evolution has more evidence than gravity.

[Adroit Luminary]

How about this then..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LofkpWViiE
 

Mech can could you please add these links to the top for those who missed the beginning of our debate.

http://www.marduk.org/marduknibiruplanet-x-event-timeline/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wZyvAPEDxY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDh5gPmzn3E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfgMXBLufNw

http://track-cell-phones.com/301/population-reduction-after-economic-collapse/

[Mech]

http://www.exopoliticshongkong.com/Earth_History.html

200000 B.C. - The center of human civilization is in a lush kingdom in the Gobi region of central Asia. Blue-eyed, blond- haired humans, in alliance with a tall humanoid branch known as the 'Nepheli', wage war against the reptilian empire in Antarctica.

Stopped reading here

[Adroit Luminary]

Maybe I'll just 86 all the extraterrestrial *ish and start here on or own planet; shall we? This way we dont challenege as many elements of our belief system's at one time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf0khstYDLA&feature=related

[The Adfeng]

2012/End-of-the-world discussions like this are not allowed.

Locked.  Pending revision.