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[Ghostwalker]

I posted my case on the introductions page, and realized it's probably better to post it here.

So for a few years now, I've been able to create this odd tingling in my hands whenever I want. I just concentrate on the feeling, and it comes almost instantly, the sensation increasing the longer i concentrate. It sort of feels like the circulation is being cut off, as if I were laying on them, but with a more electrifying feeling, especially in the finger tips.

Last night I tried searching Google for a medical answer, typing every variation of the term "Voluntary tingling in hands" but could find nothing. I even checked on Youtube, which is when I came to videos on Chi, and using mind powers. Now I am open minded to everything, having a huge interest in the paranormal and unknown. I just never thought of my hand thing as being anymore than some useless trick. I had heard of this stuff before, but never connected my hand thing to it. I've even attempted OBE's before, but with no luck. After I closed the computer, and I went to bed, many thoughts went through my mind about what I could potentially do. I tried little things, like trying to create the sensation in my feet. Although it took a little longer, I was able too. I tried warming my feet up, as I have an issue with my feet being cold whenever I go to bed. I just kept visualizing my feet getting warm, holding them by a fire, any heat related thoughts. After a while I realized nothing seemed to be happening, in fact, my feet felt a bit colder. So I thought, maybe all the thoughts of my feet being warm, were causing my mind to think they needed to cool down. So I tried starting with my hands this time. This went on for a couple hours, experimenting with different things. The sun was coming up, and I realized I should really try to get some sleep. So with mind over matter.... in mind.... I started thinking to myself, " Sleep...sleep....sleep". Feeling a distinct sinking feeling.

Which Is when the strangest thing happened.

I started to feel this intense sucking feeling come over me, as if i was being pulled out of my body. I had slightly felt it before when trying to have an OBE, but this was like nothing I've ever felt before. Very strong. I felt as if there was nothing more than a string tethering me to my body. Then suddenly, I heard a power surge, and my overhead fan turn off. For a second I thought "Did i just leave my body?!! Am I no longer in my room?!" The excitement caused me to snap out of it. Just as I opened my eyes and became clear, the power turned back on. My alarm clock was flashing, as well as all the other clocks in my house. You can imagine the adrenaline pumping through my body, not understanding what just happened. "Did I just cause the power to go out?!". Lining everything up, from searching the internet and finding that I may have a slight gift, to experimenting myself, It seemed way to much to be a coincidence.

So not only did I start to go Into an OBE involuntarily, I think I caused the power in my apartment to momentarily go out. For all I know, the whole building...

Has any of this happened to anyone before? Being able to create the tingling in their hands, without trying, or without the thought of it being some kind of energy? Or involuntarily start to go into an OBE, then affect the electricity in such a powerful way?

Any info or guidance would be much appreciated!

Update:

After I settled down from the power incident, I tried to get some rest, but first, I had a theory to test. What if my hands acted like some kind of conductors if I wanted to have an OBE, making the transition faster? I laid in bed, focused my breathing, then concentrated on "powering up" my hands as I like to call it. Once they were tingling enough, I tried doing the same thing as before, when I almost went into the OBE, which was, keep telling myself "Sleep...sleep....sleep" . I think that when I tell myself that, Only my physical side is listening, while the.... spiritual or whatever side, is focusing on the OBE. So That, combined with my hand power, I hoped I could quickly go into an OBE, and to my surprise, It was working! When it starts, it feels like my head is going into some kind of air bubble, and the blackness behind my eyes kind of turns to a coffee like color. The problem is, when I'm close to breaking free, my heart starts pumping like crazy, keeping me from doing so. I tried again, this time powering my hands up over my chest. When I began that time, it felt as though my hands were sinking into my chest, like they were holding my heart, keeping it calm. But by the time I was getting the hang of it, I felt really drained, probably partially due to the fact that i hadn't slept and it was now 10:00 in the morning...

So I'm going to try again when I'm more rested.

[Shinichi]

To continue from the other thread:

The hand thing is called Charging, and so far as calming yourself down I highly recommend Grounding.

I've already explained both of those, and a couple of other things, here: http://shiftedperspectives.net/forum/index.php/topic,1672.msg19752.html#msg19752

So far as the Mental Projection (leaving the physical body through the vehicle of the mental body, rather then through the vehicle of the astral body--mental projection is often confused for astral projection by those who have not experienced both), that is a relatively advanced thing. After spending more time working on the basics, you will find it much easier to learn later on.



~:Shin:~

[Ghostwalker]

The hand thing is called Charging, and so far as calming yourself down I highly recommend Grounding.

Okay, so now I know the official lingo for my hand trick
I'll also give your articles a look, thank you.

So far as the Mental Projection (leaving the physical body through the vehicle of the mental body, rather then through the vehicle of the astral body--mental projection is often confused for astral projection by those who have not experienced both), that is a relatively advanced thing. After spending more time working on the basics, you will find it much easier to learn later on.

Okay, so I think I know the main difference between the two. Mental projection is when you leave your body, and fly around the physical word, while Astral is when you go off into.... Some strange place.... Am I right?

So I'm kind of confused, are there specific things you have to do to experience each? Or is it basically just a gamble?


Another interesting thing to note, that while I was focusing on breathing, (after I went back to bed after the power outage incident) with my hands charged, I tried holding my breath to see if this helped. Time went by, feeling slightly calm. It felt as if a minute went by at least, and I felt no stress whatsoever on my lungs?! I felt as If i could hold my breath forever! I released my breath and started to breath normally again, for I don't know if that can be bad for me or not. I'll search around, but in case I don't come across anything, can anyone tell me if this is safe to do?

[Shinichi]

The difference has more to do with metaphysical anatomy then anything. According to the lineage of magic that I study (and other lineages do have they're own opinions, and other psions most certainly will have many), the mental body is tied to the physical body only through the astral body; while the astral body is tied to the physical body in the areas of the heart and the liver. So while it doesn't happen often, people have accidentally died during astral projections or while attempting to do them incorrectly; while mental projection is comparitively quite safe.

Mental projection is by no means inferior to real astral projections, though. You can go almost all the same places with both. It's a simple matter of mental projection being easier, and perhaps safer, for aspirants to learn.




~:Shin:~

[Ghostwalker]

So if they are generally the same, how Is one possibly lethal? Exactly how does one die because of it? I imagine it is along the lines of not being able to return to their body.

Do different steps need to be taken in order to do each?

[Shinichi]

So if they are generally the same, how Is one possibly lethal? Exactly how does one die because of it? I imagine it is along the lines of not being able to return to their body.

They are not the same, you can just use them in most of the same ways.

Perhaps it would be easier to understand if I explained it this way:

Throughout history, every time the "Mind, Spirit and Body" division has been mentioned by Philosophers, Saints and Magicians, they have been referring to the occult philosophy that the soul, rather then incarnating in the physical Body alone, also incarnates in the mental body (the seat of the Mind) and the astral body (the seat of the spirit). Magicians in particular use theyre understanding this occult anatomy in order to purify, refine, and perfect all three bodies so that the inner divinity of the soul can shine through, and ultimately unite inner conciousness with universal concious--the ultimate goal of true Magic being this enlightenment, rather then parlor tricks and entertainment.

Anyway, the reason one can die from astral projection is because the astral body is directly tied to the physical body through the heart and the liver (consequently supporting the physical and etheric functions of those organs), and if those ties are damaged or severed the heart and/or the liver will begin to fail (and when that happenes, the whole body begins to shut down). But since the mental body has no such direct ties to the physical body, its much more difficult to do any physical harm mentally projecting.

Now, don't misunderstand me--dying from astral projection is extremely rare. But the fact that its possible at all should be understood and respected (not feared) by beginners, so that they can train in other areas and build themselves up to safe astral projection whenever they want.

And of course, as I said earlier, this is all the opinion of the philosophy I study. There are many others that find the idea of astral projection being dangerous quite silly. And really, if it is done properly, its not dangerous at all.

Do different steps need to be taken in order to do each?

Yes, but you already generally know the basic points of mental projection. And with it, astral projection really isn't necessary for you to worry about yet.



~:Shin:~

[Ghostwalker]

Okay, I think I'm starting to understand now.

Yes, but you already generally know the basic points of mental projection. And with it, astral projection really isn't necessary for you to worry about yet.

Very well, all in good time

I don't think anyone has quite given me a straight answer yet, so I'll just make it a direct question: Has anyone affected electricity in such a powerful way that they involuntarily shut the power off in an entire apartment building?

[Shinichi]

Oops, I forgot that question. lol!

I haven't effected an entire building, nor do I know anyone who has (and has told me about it), but I and several others I have known have, while carrying a strong charge of energy, caused electrical devices to mess up around them--more accidental then intentional, though. I've messed up my laptop several times, and more then one phone has bit the dust. lol



~:Shin:~

[Ghostwalker]

Yes, I too have heard of things like phones failing, light bulbs bursting. But I can't find any stories of anyone affecting something as strong as a whole electrical grid.... And have you heard of people effecting electrical devices while going into an OBE?

[Midnight]

I figured i'd psot what i accidentally posted in the other topic.

I think the key to keeping your heart calm is practice. Don't overdo it and if your heart is beating like crazy and your getting exhausted and drained, give your body a break. Take it little by little. I like to look at my body and energy not just as a part of me, but as my "team mate" if you will. Giving it respect and rest as it needs. But anyways try focusing on your body as a whole and try different things out while being safe

I haven't affected electrical equipment on that magnitude, the only thing i do is change street lights lol

[Maelstrom]

My opinion or what I have understand is

Mental Projection = Remote Presence

They have the same steps like Charging.....

[Ghostwalker]

I think the key to keeping your heart calm is practice. Don't overdo it and if your heart is beating like crazy and your getting exhausted and drained, give your body a break. Take it little by little. I like to look at my body and energy not just as a part of me, but as my "team mate" if you will. Giving it respect and rest as it needs. But anyways try focusing on your body as a whole and try different things out while being safe

Yeah, that's what I was thinking, gradually work up to it. After all, I haven't really given any of this much effort or thought until a few days ago, so It's probably not a good idea to push myself as far as I can

I haven't affected electrical equipment on that magnitude, the only thing i do is change street lights lol

That's why I find it all so weird... I don't think I've ever effected anything.... electrical or otherwise... And It can't be a coincidence, Researching all this the same night, making the most amount of effort on charging than I ever have before, then just as I was experiencing the most overwhelming feeling, just as I was about to go into an OBE, the power shuts off. Then the moment I snap out of it, it turns back on... I mean, maybe if I had been dedicating my life to this stuff, or even going at it for years, maybe it would be possible... But not even Shinichi has heard of anyone doing that before, and they seem to be very experienced with all this...

If I have the ability to accidentally shut off a power grid.... What else could I be capable of doing?...

[Maelstrom]

Link about RP (Remote Presence)


http://psipog.net/art-remote-presence.html

[stolide]

I, one time whilst messing around with some friends, caused a whole building to lose power. Either that, or all the electricity went out at precisely the moment I set off a bomb thoughtform on an energetic city my friends had made. This was not something I could replicate, nor was it something I intended. I think that these sorts of things happen when the conditions are just right. Otherwise, there seems to be little hope of anything on the scale.

[Midnight]

Yeah it really depends on what is going on and there are so many factors that can cause different things. The person, the environment, certain environmental factors (which includes biotic and abiotic factors). Although sometimes you dont even realize what you do. It took a few months for  me to realize this, but someone pointed out to me that maybe the only reason why my phone model is messed up (and this is the 3rd of this model i have) yet EVERYONE else who has this model, which is a lot, theirs' is fine. I have very strong energy yet cant do much or control it, which is my goal. So yeah, practice practice practice (sigh, school kind of interferes with this hah).