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« on: April 04, 2011, 08:25:28 PM »

Would it be possible to create a shield that could block out tangible things, like objects?
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« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2011, 09:52:28 PM »

Hmmm.... Using a Force Bubble Shield... Why not? The true question would be "Is it strong enough to repel huge force?" Huh
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« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2011, 10:17:32 PM »

Would it be possible to create a shield that could block out tangible things, like objects?

Yes, but it is easier to think of it as the rejection of states or events versus a tangible force that blocks things in it itself. For example, think of a field in which this field represents states that you want where it is excludes states on the outside where the states on the outside are what is not wanted. Think of it as an arrangement of desired states within a given domain in which this arrangement is exclusive of things on the outside in which what is on the inside is the only possible outcome that can happen which excludes the states and events on the outside. The rejection of states(you are rejecting a state by defining what can and does happen in which the blocked thing is excluded from this) via exclusion would alter the trajectory associated with physical actions and the motion of things skewing the direction of kinetic energy associated with blocking that thing(dust particles, radiation, larger objects, etc). Say, for example, if a person was engulfed in gas, like smoke, this type of shield would move the gas away from the person in such a way that you could possibly get a bubble like empty space between them and the gas.

Now, the effectiveness would depend on the ability of the person. While it might be enough to skew radiation and maybe even repel dust particles, it probably wouldn't stop or deflect a knife or punch thrown at you. If it is successful, there would be a skewing of kinetic energy away from you knocking the punch or object backwards or deflecting it.

You can do this by creating a working ontology, or library of abstractions, which represent objects and events which are the opposite of the state that is not desired where these abstractions are mapped to a domain, or function, of things that can happen, or are the only things that can happen, where you use some veridical form of intentionality to perform the action.  

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« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2011, 11:31:18 PM »

...Wow. I'm not going to pretend I was expecting a simple answer to a complicated question, but damn. It's no secret that this will be really difficult, but I think it's still something I'd like to be able to accomplish. Manifesting energy into something physical would be really useful--and worth the toil.
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« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2011, 11:44:16 PM »

Shields can be used to alter events around the shielded, as well as the various psi related things.

It's also worth mentioning that a shield programmed to, say, protect you from attacks, is a weak shield. It's actually a little harmful. It has a nasty little expectation in it that you will get attacked, which creates harmful events/attacks either from other physical events or psi manifestations.

Programming something along the lines of safety would be better. Always program for something, not to prevent something.
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« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2011, 04:25:17 AM »

What about programming a shield that learns grows and evolves with you? Sort of like a AI to help you out in tough situations and help point out subtle information that you fail to pick up..
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« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2011, 06:24:37 AM »

What about programming a shield that learns grows and evolves with you? Sort of like a AI to help you out in tough situations and help point out subtle information that you fail to pick up..

 You could do it, but if I were going to spend that much time and energy on a construct I would rather it be a cute, sentient cabbit that could sheild me when needed and do a multitude of other things.  Grin

On topic, besides the psionic force bubble shield (which is a bit more simple in practice then flamedancer might make it seem), it may be interesting to note that advanced Chinese martial artists develop they're Wai Qi (the life force energy of they're aura) so that it can protect them in combat and other such things.



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« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2011, 07:05:07 AM »

What about programming a shield that learns grows and evolves with you? Sort of like a AI to help you out in tough situations and help point out subtle information that you fail to pick up..

That is not necessary, because the action that is in the representation is predicated or possessed by the person who thinks about the thing, thus, the abstract form of the shield is an extension of yourself. For example, in the statement "I think about  about a shield", you are the one that thinks about the shield. The representation of the shield is the content of your thought, thus, it is a form of you which represents the informational aspect of the shield. As such, it is a part of you making it so that it would evolve, learn, and follow your subconscious intentions to get you through tough situations since an intended thing is the direction of a represented thing in which the representation is the ability of whatever is involved to represent its own thoughts.

Deliberate handling of representations of your personality through totems, avatars, etc. in the form of attaching an intensional component to a particular linguistic symbol or art can be useful, but is not really necessary since this is always an implicit thing in the background.  

Shields can be used to alter events around the shielded, as well as the various psi related things.

It's also worth mentioning that a shield programmed to, say, protect you from attacks, is a weak shield. It's actually a little harmful. It has a nasty little expectation in it that you will get attacked, which creates harmful events/attacks either from other physical events or psi manifestations.

Programming something along the lines of safety would be better. Always program for something, not to prevent something.

That is too vague an intention, because there are many ways to keep you safe in which it might not be what you wanted not to mention feedback on if it is working can be somewhat coincidental leading to a person thinking it is working when it is in fact not working. I said in another post that the thing which helps to strengthen a tangible expression is coherence, accuracy, and organization in the information The motion of a system is surprisingly unintuitive to most people, thus, people's expectations of how they can be kept safe may not match what happens or their expectations may tack on subtle directions which cause it to not work very well which can include future attacks. Also, an intention is a representation of something in which this representation has implicit normative views of the world, so there will always be some trace of an implicit expectation of reality since it is built upon what a person thinks or should think about it in which this is not proportional to the explicit thing. In other words, a general goal and can still have implicit expectations tied to it due to the nature of the intentional component which is the content of the thought which is an extension of that person's experience of the world.  

An example would be if I thought "I will be bald", another person thought "I won't be bald", and another person thought "I will prevent baldness". The things in common are baldness in which how these people think about baldness reflects their feelings, possible fears, and expectations dealing with how they perceive baldness. How these people think about baldness is the intentional aspect, but the type and scope of expectations ascribed to this thing vary. 

While how psi works is teleological and complexity independent, the teleological aspect is more of a phenomenological view of how it is experienced or done where you have a representation of the thing that is thought about which may be non veridical or not altogether accurate in regards to the information which is transmitted in which how it is done corresponds to subtle cues about the abstraction of that action.

You can get around all of this by creating an exhaustive framework which uses information gained from anomalous cognition and physical feedback with psychokinesis. This basically entails creating a set up where you are able to sense a physical state accurately in which the subjective cues which tie into knowledge of this information is associated or anchored to a representation which consistently test true. An exhaustive framework is one in which at least one thing has to happen. If you set the mapping (that I mentioned in the above reply) as being exhaustive in which what is in it has to happen where it is the only thing that that can happen, it excludes other things on the outside of that domain. If you use veridical associations for doing PK and accurate and tested representations of physical states(it gives you a somewhat intuitive knowledge of the makeup of the objects involved where all the complex parts can be represented by an encompassing domain), you should be able to create a precise effect which repels what you want how you want it to.

Manifesting energy into something physical would be really useful--and worth the toil.

In my experience, it seems that people who attempt to apply energy working techniques to PK are not really successful in PK for whatever reason. I know a lot of energy workers. Very few of them are able to do PK consistently. Ironically, the people who I know who can consistently do PK are also telepaths who apply their abstract and conceptual thinking to psychokinetic practices.

I do not know why that is. Different things. Different skill sets. Different views. Different ways of thinking. There are many reasons why this might be the case, but I don't know of many energy workers who are able to consistently do psychokinesis. It is also worth noting that most of them have no interest in it, either.
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« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2011, 08:23:54 PM »

In my experience, it seems that people who attempt to apply energy working techniques to PK are not really successful in PK for whatever reason. I know a lot of energy workers. Very few of them are able to do PK consistently. Ironically, the people who I know who can consistently do PK are also telepaths who apply their abstract and conceptual thinking to psychokinetic practices.

So abstract and conceptual thinking is a way of telepaths? Because I'm naturally an empath and only starting out with PK, so I do personally think in conceptual terms, but I don't know if that's because of my tele/empathic inclination or because of myself as a person or both. In any case, does that mean rigorous structuring of a PK shield would be less effective than the abstract idea of one, suitably applied?
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« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2011, 09:48:30 PM »

In my experience, it seems that people who attempt to apply energy working techniques to PK are not really successful in PK for whatever reason. I know a lot of energy workers. Very few of them are able to do PK consistently. Ironically, the people who I know who can consistently do PK are also telepaths who apply their abstract and conceptual thinking to psychokinetic practices.

So abstract and conceptual thinking is a way of telepaths? Because I'm naturally an empath and only starting out with PK, so I do personally think in conceptual terms, but I don't know if that's because of my tele/empathic inclination or because of myself as a person or both. In any case, does that mean rigorous structuring of a PK shield would be less effective than the abstract idea of one, suitably applied?

Think of it this way. If I want something to do something in the future that it has not yet done in the present, this thing does not concretely exist in the here and now, thus, it is modeled via an abstract idea of what it could be but is not currently. Thinking about future things requires a degree of abstraction since it takes place outside of our immediate sensory experience. This is the conceptual component. In fact, the content of what the thought is about is the intentional aspect, thus, the abstract attribute is how that intention is represented.  

With telepathy, information about the thought is transmitted. How this content is represented is done by something standing for something else about a thing that does not concretely exist, thus, there is a conceptual and abstract component to telepathy.  

I am currently working on an article. It is not done yet(I hope to have it finished by tomorrow), but this is a part which sums it up.

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Intentionality can also be thought of as the capability of the mind to relate thoughts and experiences to objects in an abstract sense, but these objects need not even exists. If one thought about a car in one's driveway, one is relating thoughts and experiences to that car in such a way that there is a mental pointing towards an object that concretely exists, but what if one thought about a car that they are getting two weeks from now? One may or may not get that car in the future. Furthermore, that future car does is not in the here and now(well not in the context of being in the possession of the person thinking about it); therefore, it does not exists concretely. This means that a mind can be about something abstract and beyond its own thoughts, but in order to do this, it has to have the capability to represent these things in which this representation can even be equated to the intentional component, itself, in which it consists of the mental content where the mental content is the informational aspect with the thing that the content is about as the referent(it should also be noted that the referent is in the possession of the content in the abstract sense; “My thought about x”).


I have horribly bad allergies, so I use a variation of a shield like this to keep pollen away from me.

The telepathic component comes from blocking things which involve the decisions, actions, and behaviors of other living things. For example, say that I wanted to create a barrier to keep people away. Phenomenological shifts, which include intentional and unconsciousness decisions, can happen as the result of qualitative shifts among the heterogeneous, hierarchical,  bifurcated, and stochastic properties of the biological molecular structure of their makeup. To make it a little easier to understand, the trajectory of the particles associated with the macroscopics action of entering that protected space are manipulated so that it creates a phenomenological, or change in their subjective environment, so that they don't. This includes a visceral sensation that they should not be there. A sudden loss of interest. The inability to focus on what they were doing. Forgetting where they where going or why they were. So, while it can be said to impact the person telepathically, they were impacted by a tangible psychokinetic shield which imposed a type of telepathic suggestion on them in which it can even create an illusion. A strong one could create a hallucination where they see what is not there. Usually, shields to block events which center around the decisions, actions, or behaviors of other people act like this. While you may not be able to create a shield strong enough to block a punch, your shield might be able to skew the trajectory of the physical objects associated with deciding to throw that punch, coordination of that punch, and other factors which play into that person's behavior.

I would practice creating shields like this by placing an object in a container. I would then release some type of colored gas in the container where my goal was to try and keep the gas from the object. A variation of this would be to do this in a liquid with a colored dye. As far as shields impacting the behavior of other animals, I would use a set up with insects(like ants since an ant farm is relatively cheap) in which you try and get the insects to act in a consistent organized manner relative to something(like staying away from an area). The second exercise would need a control more than the first where the first would be better with a control, but it is not really needed if the environment is adequately controlled.

Making a tangible shield would simply involve organizing the kinetic energy in an isotropic symmetrical fashion versus the anisotropic and non symmetrical order naturally present (anisotropic properties which would limit the the degrees of freedom; how far the particles can move in any direction without colliding into the other one due to non symmetrical positions and momentum).  
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« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2011, 02:53:59 PM »

What about programming a shield that learns grows and evolves with you? Sort of like a AI to help you out in tough situations and help point out subtle information that you fail to pick up..

Exactly what my shields do.  They've been doing this for over five years now.  They adapt and change to what they see.
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« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2011, 05:14:51 AM »

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What about programming a shield that learns grows and evolves with you? Sort of like a AI to help you out in tough situations and help point out subtle information that you fail to pick up..

Exactly what my shields do.  They've been doing this for over five years now.  They adapt and change to what they see.



How do you create those kind of shield? I've been wondering for months how to create one... I did try to create a psi-pet dragon with Intelligence using command "You will have an intelligence.... You will learn by watching and thinking.... You will be my friend, and I yours...." we where telepathically linked with each other... I tried to scan it, I would always sense it on my bed, curling and seems to be asleep... (I'm not a good scanner but we were telepathically linked with each other....) It won't speak to me and won't do anything......
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« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2011, 11:52:54 AM »

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I once only programmed a construct with the will to survive. It went rogue fast. A year later multiple people tried to kill it for sport. It's still alive. It has evolved quite a bit. I know it has learned how to camouflage in the astral, and reality manipulation is ineffective against it. AI.
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« Reply #13 on: April 09, 2011, 12:15:09 AM »

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Could anyone scan me? wanna know if I just got my Shields right and if there is any constructs around me.... Thanks in Advance... (I'm not much a good scanner.... I suck at Energy Manipulation, PK and any abilities except for those which work on the minds(Precog, Clairvoyance, EM, TP?? I dunno, when I would use TP on animals, they would look around like their confused... I tried to tell the dog to sit down and then it sat!!! then I told it to roll, run, scratch and lick my hand and it did!!!))
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