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« on: March 09, 2011, 09:36:50 PM »

Hello, I am new to the website. I have had real experience's such as knowing the lyrics to a song even though I've never heard it. Being able to finish people's sentence's frequently, or knowing thing's that I've never learned before. I found some people on xbox live that said they would teach me but in the end I didn't think they had my best intrest at heart and i didn't believe over half of what they told me. Since then I have thought about it alot but never got back into it. I would like to prove to myself that these matters are real. Therefor I am looking for a mentor to help me in psychokinesis. Practicing is not a problem, because I will be very dedicated as long as I get some form of result's relatively quickly to prove to myself that this will work and be worth all the time. Don't get me wrong, I am willing to put 100 percent of my effort toward this for 2-4 month's before I get results but last time I worked with them for 6 month's and got nothing but a few facts. If anyone is willing to help me I would really appreciate it. - Sincerely, Prodigy
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« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2011, 05:52:50 AM »

from what I understand,
you are your own best teacher...
and due to the deep personal nature of it.. no one really could teach PK, ESP, etc except you...

And it really takes time to get... really really does.
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« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2011, 08:35:13 AM »

Hello, I am new to the website. I have had real experience's such as knowing the lyrics to a song even though I've never heard it. Being able to finish people's sentence's frequently, or knowing thing's that I've never learned before. I found some people on xbox live that said they would teach me but in the end I didn't think they had my best intrest at heart and i didn't believe over half of what they told me. Since then I have thought about it alot but never got back into it. I would like to prove to myself that these matters are real. Therefor I am looking for a mentor to help me in psychokinesis. Practicing is not a problem, because I will be very dedicated as long as I get some form of result's relatively quickly to prove to myself that this will work and be worth all the time. Don't get me wrong, I am willing to put 100 percent of my effort toward this for 2-4 month's before I get results but last time I worked with them for 6 month's and got nothing but a few facts. If anyone is willing to help me I would really appreciate it. - Sincerely, Prodigy

I can't be your mentor, nor do I know anyone else who has the free time to take anyone else under they're wing right now. But I can point you towards a system that will help you learn what your wanting at this stage.

Its called Dynamic Psi, and so far as I know the admin Kobok at Veritas is the creator of it. The first thing you do in this system is take up the practice of Focal Meditation for at least an hour a day, to bring your busy mind under control, improve concentration and mental power and a few other things. From there, the very first psychic ability trained is Kinesis.

Everything you need to know to begin practice and even suceed in the goals you listed is in these two articles:

Focal Meditation, by Kobok
Introduction to Kinetics, by Kobok

Though i cant offer a mentor, i can tell you that the people both on this forum and that one will be happy to answer any questions you have, but so far as actual practice things aren't that complex.

from what I understand,
you are your own best teacher...
and due to the deep personal nature of it.. no one really could teach PK, ESP, etc except you...

And it really takes time to get... really really does.

That's not really the case. The role of a mentor in psionics is much like the role of a coach in sports. A coach cannot magically make you an ace player, but he can tell you exactly how to train in order to attain the strength, speed, endurance and skill necessary. That's all a mentor or teacher can do in psionics. He answers your questions, instructs you on what exercises are best for achieving your goals, and then all he can do is pray you actually practice.



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« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2011, 09:49:53 AM »

Its called Dynamic Psi, and so far as I know the admin Kobok at Veritas is the creator of it. The first thing you do in this system is take up the practice of Focal Meditation for at least an hour a day, to bring your busy mind under control, improve concentration and mental power and a few other things. From there, the very first psychic ability trained is Kinesis.

People have reported minimal returns in regards to psychokinesis under that system or returns with it are crass(moving a piecer of paper, candle flame, bottle, and other doing other not useful things). Usually, it is because the system does not take into consideration subjective components of how it is experienced. Instead, it attempts to make sweeping dogmatic philosophical statements(if you ever had a conversation with kobok you will understand why I used the word dogmatic). What I mean by this is that we have no clue about the mechanics/dynamics of the thing that does it, thus, in regards to utilization, we can only go by how it is utilized and experienced by the person. Attempts to make learning paradigms of psychokinesis(which are far from complete), from experimental data, consistently run into the issue of how that person subjectively models things and phenomenological processes that go into that modeling in addition to how that contributes to the effect. Something discernible happens which provides feedback. This feedback lets the person know that this internal experience is correlated with that external effect in which this feedback strengthens further practice; however, the issue arises in how a person can objectively model this subjective experience outside of a type of socially imitative and normative process in addition to the effect which provides something to build off of. It is possible to objectively quantify normative views of a group of people via the implicit influences that sociological structures have on how people think about things thereby making it possible to make consistent predictions in regards to how they could model this subjective experience, but it is contingent on that group. Yes, we are able to create a type of mathematical structure for it(which says nothing about the qualities of that thing since qualities are more semantic whereas mathematical structures are more prima facie), but this does not tell us about the processes which go into the action outside of the processes which go into formulation of that decision to do it. Somehow, the intention to do something gets translated into an action, but beyond proposing that some abstract thing does it, we don't quite know how it does it. Furthermore, since a lot of the statements in Dynamic Psi are not empirically adequate, this would make it have more of a metaphysical origin thus it would make it more of a philosophical stance than anything else. Great as far as philosophy goes, but what about the actual doing?  

It is like explaining to someone the physics that goes into riding a bike or driving a car and expecting them to know how to ride a bike or drive a car. It is like knowing the Philosophy of Art(Aesthetics) without knowing how to draw a straight line. It is like knowing that a formula yields something without knowing how to use the formula let alone apply it. To give you an example, kobok talks about experiencing the soul. I have never experienced the soul. Since I have not experienced the soul, how could I do things which hinge on this experience when I have not had this subjective experience for myself? You can give me explanations and instructions until you are blue in the face, but the inability to actually experience this makes it so that a large part of the information you would be giving to me is missing making it so that it can not be imitated and thus not learned. What is learned would be a philosophy. Nothing wrong with that, but it makes you know what and know that and not know how.    

A way to transmit tacit information is through socialized imitation. This is where a mentor comes in handy for some(which would be entirely different from a person simply explaining things to you) If a person adopts the belief structure of a person, normative views on the world, common philosophical stances, so on and so forth it aids in transmitting the how. This is kind of way a lot of mystical concepts got warped as the transferred from one culture to the next. Normative stances on reality were grossly different.  

Not to mention the scalar and vector arrangement of the system of Dynamic Psi seems to change depending on the day of the week you ask the people who practice it(one moment energy is a vector of the conceptual domain and the next it is scalar).

And it really takes time to get... really really does.

This depends on the person. For some, they could always do it; they just needed control. For others, they learn quickly. For others, they spend years on it, can only do minimal things, and inevitably give up.  
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« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2011, 08:19:59 PM »

I've actually learned something today... very well put...

thank you..
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« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2011, 08:56:00 PM »

Flamedancer, im not promoting Dynamic Psi nor do I currently practice it. The origional poster asked for a relatively quick way to experience basic kinesis, and I simply directed him to a system that I personally know yields those results to some degree or another so long as the exercises I linked to are practiced consistently.

Im personally one to instruct a beginner to spend a good year or more learning more fundamental exercises like centering, sensing, grounding and charging before things like kinesis are practiced, so that kinesis can be effectively practiced on things a bit larger then a candle flame. But not everyone looks at psionics as an art of personal evolution like I do, so when people ask questions to satisfy specific goals I direct them to places or people I think can help them achieve their goals.

But thank you for your opinions, they mean alot. Smiley



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