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[Birth]

Rule 1: Argue ON TOPIC.

Anyone on this site who is a Satanist? If so, please feel free to comment, because either I'm confused, or the ideal is.


Recently I was watching something that involved Satanism. Before getting the the point, another thing that confuses me is when they call a group of Satanists a cult, and never address Satanism as a religion. Wouldn't it be considered as such?

BUT ANYWAY. I was watching something which had a few people explaining Satanism. One of the members said they oppose Christianity, worship Satan,(also mistakenly as Lucifer, whom of the two is a different angel actually) and are anarchists and some even call themselves Evil because Satan himself is evil. They also said how they wear their Pentagrams upside down "because it resembles Satan and he guides us".

Now there a several things I find strange in that description. Now me, a person without religion, believe in a God and a Devil. I've done quite a bit of research, and I came across various articles stating that Satan is not how we grew up to perceive him. He is not the great two horned winged beast that resides in Cocytus that opposes everything good. In fact, I've heard from multiple sources who are reliably advanced stating all of that crap we've heard about Satan are not entirely true. In fact, I've heard many times he's right in the middle; Neutral. He does what he does, as well as JHVH does what he does, not exactly harming nor helping every time.


Furthermore, it almost seems as if Satanism is based off of Christianity. All they do is oppose all things "good" but generally keep the same idea of Satan being the scourge of humanity, and causes everything that is bad to happen. For a personal experience, I knew of satanists who wore pentagrams like this Click, which is actually the exact opposite of what they think it is.

I know I can't speak for every Satanist, but maybe they need to seriously think of having a congregation of sorts, because this belief has very confused minds in it.

Also, how can you support anarchy but have a leadership system? It's really a contradiction. I really need some clarification here, and yes. I'm expecting to debate.

[Acrobat]

I was curious about Satanism and read a bit. I was a Christian but turned to "atheism" later but I have my belief system (I believe in what I want to believe, no names needed that's agnosticism by some people but that's not important).
As I've seen around there are 2 types of satanism, theistic and atheistic. The theistic Satanism worships Satan as deity while for atheistic Satanism Satan is a concept.

 I've also gained impression that they oppose Christianity and perform black masses, where they sacrifice chickens and pray christian prayers backwards (sounds silly but that's what goes around). Their symbol is goat's head (no idea why) which perfectly fits in "upside-down" pentagram. This part is mostly revolving around some subgenres of metal. This part is widely shown in movies and such things.

When it comes to christian origins, there is a reference in part of the Bible called "the revelation". There the great evil is depicted as The Beast with 666 heads and 666 names if I remember correctly. That's where The number of the beast is originated. There the Satan is shown as The beast who will kill all those not protected by God, those that were unfaithful to him. From the Bible is also name Lucifer, the angel who betrayed God and is being shown as equal to Satan and was accepted as such.
I was told in religion classes at school, that satanists except the fact that they oppose Christianity, are as I've get it, neutral in the world, they evade conflicts. They respect children and wold never do anything to harm them (opposite to that shown in the movies where they sacrifice infants). If provoked they would warn the person to stop bothering them, if they refuse, a Satanist has right to destroy the nuisance. They are also associated for some reason with vandalism and screaming at the cemeteries.

Well that's the data I've got my hands on, I don't say anything is true or untrue, it's just what you can see around.

EDIT: I forgot to mention Anton LaVey, the writer of The Satanic Bible. I take it that most modern Satanists take this book as guide for their religion. You could read it and see if there is anything that will help you to learn more about satanism, I never read it myself so I can't say more.

[ClueLou]

Depend on who you talk to....


As Satanism goes... it's pretty much got your LaVey's (symbolic), theistic, and then you got your everyday cultist nutjobs AKA the JoS (Joy Of Satan).

Everywhere I've read about satanism, these guys are the most successful and hated among satanism.
They have a yahoo group and a website (http://www.joyofsatan.com/) that's easy to understand... but beyond that, hardly anything to deal with satanism... It's like Christianity in reverse and it a neo-nazi front to boot.
And from reading some of their online postings, most definitely the most mentally unstable group I've ever met.

One of the most well known Satanist on YouTube is Venus Satanas:
http://www.youtube.com/user/VenusSatanas

There are some other decent sites I've read about but don't feel like searching for them right now....
Maybe later... right now should get ready for work...

[The Adfeng]

Well, in Christianity, Satan was the most beautiful of angels.  He literally was God's right hand man after Jesus.  Unfortunately he thought of himself too highly and thought he could overcome God and was better than him.  God banished him to Hell, and that's where we get temptation and the sort.

The pagan/wiccan pentagram symbol is actually a symbol of protection, not evil.  It's supposed to ward off evil.

[psiman]

The pentagram symbolizes the five elements that make up this world on the five points fire,earth,water,air and spirit.
It means that the divinity of nature rule this world, while on the other hand Eliphas Levi donned that the crooked pentagram
Symbolizes that evil and darkness rule the world, so eventually the satanists adopted the crooked one instead of the right side
up one.

It's kinda like the swastika the right side up one is for protection and good and the perverted one is
evil.

[Shinichi]

When I was 17 or so, I was a satanist for all of about three weeks, as a "next stop religion" right after my temporary time as a n atheist. In its more public form, I found it redundant to worship an entity of a religion that one is trying to stay away from. In it's more practical form as extreme atheism and anarchy, I found it delusional to worship and obey the ego when professing to worship nothing and obey no one. And finally, I personally found it just silly to worship ancient sumerian deities in the belief that they are really aliens. Not that neither are not real, but I personally believe they simply aren't one and the same.

Anyway, after that three week stint, I moved on.

Essentially, "Satanism" is a very broad thing, and you will not likely find any two satanists who fully agree on anything. In my personal opinion, most satanists (at least, and especially, those I have personally met) are going through a spiritual and psychological phase where they are angry with what society considers divine power (and why shouldn't they be? The most public representatives of that divine power in the western world are arrogant prudes, self-righteous fools or child rapists), and in they're anger they turn to the only other thing they know at the time. If they seek to be atheist, they will turn to the worship of they're self and anarchy. If they believe in a higher power but do not wish to accept Divinity for whatever reason, they will turn to Demons and the worship of whatever or whoever they personally think "Satan" is. And so on, and so on, and so on.

I don't particularly have anything against satanism, or those who "practice" it. I went through the satanist phase, and I learned a hell of a lot from it (pun intended ). But I learned and moved on to other things, things I'm personally much more comfortable with, and have experienced a lot more progress from.

The pagan/wiccan pentagram symbol is actually a symbol of protection, not evil.  It's supposed to ward off evil.

Not just that. The Pentagram is a very, very, very old symbol, and is ultimately the symbol of the Microcosm (as demonstrated by a human being standing with his limbs stretched out), and is thus a symbol OF the person (and more specifically in some traditions, the Higher or Divine Self of the person) who uses it towards magical or alchemical means (such as the LBRP, and other rituals or alchemical formula). In religious and other symbolism, since the top of the Pentagram is related to the Akasha or Spirit Element, turning the star upside down symbolizes the degrading of the Spirit and it's active immersion in the World and its lower senses, and is thus a direct symbol of Man's lower Animal/Ego Self. Since this is the object of most satanic worship, this is why many satanists used the inverted pentagram.

If I remember correctly, the traditional pentagram has also been associated with the deity Mars, and a lot of other things throughout the years. But it's symbolism ultimately always comes back to Man as Microcosm, and most especially the Higher or Divine Self of Man.

But yes, in general, the right side up Pentagram is most usually a symbol of good things.



~:Shin:~


EDIT:

There the great evil is depicted as The Beast with 666 heads and 666 names if I remember correctly. That's where The number of the beast is originated.

I would like to add, for clarity, that this is a mistranslation that has apparently not been fixed yet. In Qabbalah, 666 is the number of The Sun, which is why Magicians like Crowley proudly embraced it (he's known to have enjoyed being called "Mr. Sunshine"). 616 is the number of The Beast, the representation of the human beings lower animal self, ruled by passion and ego.

[Acrobat]

There the great evil is depicted as The Beast with 666 heads and 666 names if I remember correctly. That's where The number of the beast is originated.

I would like to add, for clarity, that this is a mistranslation that has apparently not been fixed yet. In Qabbalah, 666 is the number of The Sun, which is why Magicians like Crowley proudly embraced it (he's known to have enjoyed being called "Mr. Sunshine"). 616 is the number of The Beast, the representation of the human beings lower animal self, ruled by passion and ego.

You are right about that I also ran across it, some think that 616 is number of Nero, the Roman emperor. It is also important to know that the Bible is still open to interpretations and translations, it's still under debate by philosophers, translators and scientists

[MNBrant]

I get fairly alot of mail from satanists on my youtube site. I have 3 videos out called how to make a contract with hell, how to speak with demons, and demons of probability. Its all under MNBrant. They arent very good however. I will tell you a secret. I feel that I can make a contract with hell by signing my name with a blue pen so hide all your blue pens if you want me to sign something heh.

I met a satanist in the military. Quite a normal guy but secretive. Satanists are hardly non violent and alot of them are in the militay. Met a satanist at work once. Once again quite normal but desparate for success and turned to satan. I do believe there are cultist nutjobs out there though. Absolutely, how can there not be.

Again I am not some cultist guy, I tell these demons funny stories to reward them and thats it.

[Birth]

I never spoke to a demon before, but I've contacted them before.

You said that guy turned to Satan for success? Do you think it's common for people to turn to Satan? I mean, Jehovah isn't working so they turn to the next best thing, right?

[MNBrant]

Yeah alot of people turn to satan to achieve success in their life. Before the internet it was very much a secretive society. Actually it was a young lady who got into it though her boyfiend. She was pretty cute when I knew her. When I passed by her years later I would say that she looked extremely pretty and was very well dressed. I didn't comment though. Hopefully she had achieved what she had set out to do.

I am a deal with hell and am not a satanist and hell is very much a divine creation so I am a guy who believes in god. I have heard nothing so far that changes that. The type of demons I deal with can best be described as muses and furies which exist in the christain faith as well as pagan.

Oh here is my youtube video where I talk about demons. I am posting it here because I am looking for a few hits. Look at it if you are so inclined.

http://www.youtube.com/user/MNBrant?feature=mhum#p/a/u/0/loS334KlsO8

[Birth]

Please take no offense to this, but the way you type leads me to believe you have not clue of what you delve into.

Besides that, from what I can see there are really no real ways to be a Satanist other than just giving yourself the title. So what makes you different from the other Satanists who do exactly as you do, besides the fact you claim not to be a Satanist?

[Mech]

It's obvious if you read his posts. He tells jokes to demons as payment. Also they aren't demons they are muses(?) and furies(?). Also this doesn't matter but he is schizophrenic.

[Birth]

Is he? My mother is Schizophrenic. Interesting...Explains his radical typing pattern. It shows no stability, and no direct intent. Well, unless someone voices more opinions I have no reason to post here.

[The Adfeng]

Back on topic, please.

[MNBrant]

I am not a satanist I am a hellenist! Sorry about the mispellings. If muses and furies arent demons what are they? Demonicists? I was going to do a youtube video about the rules of heaven and hell but mysteriously the sound went out on my webcam and I couldn't get it going. A voice rang out saying damn we want people to know the rules.

Hey I got a question. I correctly guessed who was calling me on the phone this morning. Then during breakfast I said that there probably would be some gun control law passed over this shooting thing. Then I talked to my friend about some seata job I had in high school. It lasted two hours because my boss was a republican who hated govt programs and didn't want me to work there despite the fact that he didn't have to pay me.

The question I have to ask you is did you wonder how I knew my boss was a republican who did all of that? I do this kind of thing all the time and nobody questions it.

So the question is how can I find out if I am a psychic and how much does it pay. I am looking for a new career...

[The Adfeng]

I am not a satanist I am a hellenist! Sorry about the mispellings. If muses and furies arent demons what are they? Demonicists? I was going to do a youtube video about the rules of heaven and hell but mysteriously the sound went out on my webcam and I couldn't get it going. A voice rang out saying damn we want people to know the rules.

Hey I got a question. I correctly guessed who was calling me on the phone this morning. Then during breakfast I said that there probably would be some gun control law passed over this shooting thing. Then I talked to my friend about some seata job I had in high school. It lasted two hours because my boss was a republican who hated govt programs and didn't want me to work there despite the fact that he didn't have to pay me.

The question I have to ask you is did you wonder how I knew my boss was a republican who did all of that? I do this kind of thing all the time and nobody questions it.

So the question is how can I find out if I am a psychic and how much does it pay. I am looking for a new career...

I do not believe there are such rules about heaven or hell.  If there were, none of us would know about them.

[Birth]

Hey I got a question......So the question is how can I find out if I am a psychic and how much does it pay. I am looking for a new career...

I do not believe there are such rules about heaven or hell.  If there were, none of us would know about them.

MNBrant, this isn't a thread to give you career advice. Please go to another thread for that.

@The Adfend, I agree. We couldn't fathom such rules, and it would serve us no purpose if we could.

[The Adfeng]

Thread locked at the request of the owner.  Owner's reason:  Off-topic, not where the owner wanted the thread to go.