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« on: November 01, 2010, 04:03:02 PM »

I am not a Scientologist and am not advocating anybody giving them money but on a superficial level they look intriguing. I wiki'd thetan levels and it apparently is an obsolete version of what they are putting out. At their highest level they are claiming that they can control individuals, construct universes, and know the truth. This is the aspect of psionics that interests me but you don't even have a catagory for it. Namely the science of controlling people. I spend a fair amount of time trying to control people I don't know. I usually do this through the internet. The latest thing that I have seen put out now by politicians and the news media is a tepid version of the tax the rich proposal that I put out for the past year or two. I know that this is hardly a new idea. I am seeing a fleshing out of a justification for this plan in the news media that I didn't put out that is just plain intriguing. That the rich in America have made 40 trillion off of the middle class since the 80's. I am wondering where this is going. I got some amazing predictions out there that voices tell me have gone viral at times. Could be a world class master of the game has picked them up and is making them happen soon.

I am not a master of the game but I piss them off fairly regularly. At least according to a dream I had this year. We do have a small force but we use psionic tricks not guns really. Things such as devices that cause invisibility and other gadgets such as the smile-maker. Soon after I had this dream an ice cream company came up with a device that they advertised as a smile maker. Different device though. The no gun rule can be a disadvantage though.
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« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2010, 07:38:19 AM »

Devices that cause invisibility, really?
It's possible using microwaves, but the device would have to be really, really big. And visible. You'd think people would notice a huge microwave-emitting coil of something wrapped around something, even if they can't see the something it's wrapped around...

Seriously though, the thread title seemed pretty interesting, but what's your point here?

And is it me or does this smell like fluff?
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« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2010, 09:00:42 AM »

If only scientologists weren't so damn cultist, secretive, enslaving and abusive. That's only on a superficial level. So yeah, join them and secretly leak information to us from a public library, till you decide that scientology is more important and live in their complexes.

What is up with everybody wanting to become god? Stolide want's become omnipresent, MNBrant wants to control everything, most of the practitioners of khaos want to become masters of their reality.  In my opinion I hate perfect. Once you reach perfect, there's no wiggle room. Nothing new to strive for, and you become stuck like this for eternity. I mean come on, what's life without improvement.

Protip: Scientology is classified as a dangerous cult where I live, and banned. I would not even think of joining it, and everything they say is classified as "cult propaganda, extreme caution" to me. It wouldn't matter what they said to me, it would receive profanity and me leaving the area.
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« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2010, 09:52:06 AM »

What is up with everybody wanting to become god? Stolide want's become omnipresent, MNBrant wants to control everything, most of the practitioners of khaos want to become masters of their reality.  In my opinion I hate perfect. Once you reach perfect, there's no wiggle room. Nothing new to strive for, and you become stuck like this for eternity. I mean come on, what's life without improvement.

Omniscient, not omnipresent. Tongue I do not want to be god. I want to understand things that are outside of human comprehension. (such as various paradoxes, and the existence [or lack thereof] of god/God/gods)

Omnipotence would allow one to cease to be omnipotent. In the case of omniscience, in a worst case scenario, suicide could end it all.

Protip: Scientology is classified as a dangerous cult where I live, and banned. I would not even think of joining it, and everything they say is classified as "cult propaganda, extreme caution" to me. It wouldn't matter what they said to me, it would receive profanity and me leaving the area.

That is a bit irrational. Ad hominem is awesome, a good load of fun, and the racism of logic. To discount anything someone says, merely because they are a scientologist is preposterous. Approaching anything they say with "extreme caution" is a good idea, but outright dismissal is a bit beyond that.
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« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2010, 10:16:08 AM »

Omnipotence would allow one to cease to be omnipotent. In the case of omniscience, in a worst case scenario, suicide could end it all.

Unless upon witnessing the world without you it caused emotional aversion to your death.

Ok let's play a game. I say that humans perceptions are shifted by the group the person your talking to has identified himself with.

"Hi, my name's Chad, I live on your street. We're having a BBQ at the neighborhood sports field. You should come down! It will be awesome, we can get to know each other. A bunch of people on the street are coming and there's a bunch of activities planned."

"Hi, my name's Chad, I'm part of Hell's Angels. We're having a BBQ at the neighborhood sports field. You should come down! It will be awesome, we can get to know each other. A bunch of people on the street are coming and there's a bunch of activities planned."

"Hi, my name's Chad, I'm a scientologist. We're having a BBQ at the neighborhood sports field. You should come down! It will be awesome, we can get to know each other. A bunch of people on the street are coming and there's a bunch of activities planned."

I'm all for appearing to be irrational. But one of the major parts of scientology indoctrinated into people is that you can only be friends with other scientologists. There're also empty rewards for getting someone to join scientology, specifically THETONS or whatever. When a person identifies themselves as a scientologist, they have the same ambitions as a church opening their doors to the homeless. They want to help, and hope that you reciprocate by turning your life around and having faith.

Let me clarify, if something I've deemed dangerous wants me to do something, ironically I will irrationally refuse, depending on environmental conditions of course.
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« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2010, 06:14:04 PM »

If only scientologists weren't so damn cultist, secretive, enslaving and abusive.
Secretive? Enslaving? Abusive!?
Gee, it almost sounds like it must be some kind of scam.
Naw...
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« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2010, 07:02:42 PM »

Re: Psionic aspects of scientology
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2010, 07:38:19 AM » 

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Devices that cause invisibility, really?
It's possible using microwaves, but the device would have to be really, really big. And visible. You'd think people would notice a huge microwave-emitting coil of something wrapped around something, even if they can't see the something it's wrapped around...

Seriously though, the thread title seemed pretty interesting, but what's your point here?

As I recall in the dream it was a pill or something. I guess invisibility has been around as an idea in magick for quite some time. What was more amazing was the smile maker device. Thinking of putting some crazy ideas on youtube if I start to feel motivated. I have like almost 1000 hits on youtube without any content. would be fun if I actually put some content there.

I will go look at some scientology stuff for you to keep this thing going.
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« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2010, 07:20:56 PM »

Here is a list of supernatural abilities scientologist claim. I believe that most of these are possible and have done some of them myself

Conquering MEST
Main article: MEST
MEST is an acronym Hubbard coined which stands for matter, energy, space and time, the component parts of the physical universe.[1] It is claimed that by completing Scientology courses, it is possible to eventually attain "cause over MEST" — the ability to control matter, energy and spacetime in the physical universe, free of the encumbrance of the body.[2]

According to the Church:

In Scientology, a state of complete spiritual freedom is attainable. It has been achieved not on a temporary basis but on a stable plane of full awareness and ability, unqualified by accident or deterioration. And it is not limited to a few.

It is called, in Scientology, “Operating Thetan.” The definition of the state of Operating Thetan is “knowing and willing cause over life, thought, matter, energy, space and time.edit] Exteriorization of energy
Speaking on the subject of "Exteriorization - communication in Theta and MEST", Hubbard said that an individual thetan (person) has the ability to generate electricity by putting a "beam" inside a vacuum tube, or a bell jar that has had the air evacuated:

"The truth of the matter is an individual can activate a vacuum tube. By the way, he can activate a vacuum tube because he isn't trying to go through the terrific insulative quality of air. I've forgotten what an inch of air insulates, but it is something fabulous. An inch of air represents maybe a hundred thousand volts or something on that order. He would have to be almost as big as a lightning storm to get across any space of air. But he can do it in a vacuum tube, and he could do it in a bell jar from which the air could be exhausted, while he himself was outside the bell jar. He simply puts a beam inside the bell jar connecting two electrodes and you would get a registry on a meter inside the bell jar." (3rd ACC Lecture 35)

[edit] Spiritual immortality
The Church of Scientology describes achieving the state of Operating Thetan as "complete spiritual freedom from the endless cycle of birth and death"[4] and literally promises immortality:

"Some of the miracles of life have been exposed to full view for the first time ever on the OT levels. Not the least of these miracles is knowing immortality and freedom from the cycle of birth and death."[3]

The "immortality" referred to is not immortality of the body, but of the thetan, and Scientology does not claim that it causes the thetan's immortality, but makes a Scientologist aware of that immortality and alleviates the distress that might otherwise be felt at the prospect of death:

"The subject of death is never a very serious one to a Scientologist beyond the fact that he feels kind of sorry for himself sometimes. ... [The deceased person] was thoughtless enough to dispose of his body and go out of communication. A person sometimes feels pretty unhappy about it and thinks it's a thoughtless thing for a friend to do."[5]

[edit] Enhanced health and lifespan
On pg.121 of the 1992 Hardcover edition of Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health, Hubbard writes:

"Clears do not get colds."

It is also hinted that achieving the state of Clear prolongs lifespan: "What the lifespan of a Clear is cannot be answered now; ask in a hundred years." (pg.384)

[edit] Increasing body weight
Hubbard has claimed on numerous occasions that it is possible for Scientologists to use mind over matter to increase one's body weight, although why someone would specifically want to do this is not explained. In his book Understanding the E-meter, Hubbard wrote that this assertion can be tested by "mocking up" mental pictures in one's imagination. "This test has actually been made and an increase of as much as thirty pounds, actually measured on scales, has been added to and subtracted from a body by creating 'mental energy.'" (pg.52)

In December 1954, Hubbard declared before a crowd at a lecture:

"Just mock up something, pull it in, mock it up and pull it in, mock it up and pull it in. Mock up heavy planets, mock up dense things and pull them in. You shoot a person's weight up - if he's working pretty well, and you do this very insistently, and you insist on density and mass - you can put a person on a set of very accurate Toledo scales, have him do this process for a few hours, put him back on the scales and find out his weight has gone up about thirty pounds." (Introduction to 9TH ACC - Havingness)

In 1957, Hubbard claimed that he was contacted by physicists from a scientific congress in Boston: "They wanted to know if I had any proof I could offer that thought created matter". Hubbard said he gave them all his data about using Scientology's mental "mock-ups" to increase body weight, and reported "I got back a highly enthusiastic wire saying that my data, as sent to them, had been of great assistance." (Ability Congress, 2nd lecture, December 1957)

[edit] Touch assists
Main article: Touch assist
Scientologists (especially Volunteer Ministers) are taught to administer the "Touch Assist", a procedure designed by Hubbard to help heal illnesses or injuries. The Scientologist touches the person's body in a set manner, avoiding sexual areas, and asks the recipient of the process, who is lying or sitting still, to "Feel my finger". This is continued until the recipient states that he feels better about what was bothering him and looks more cheerful overall. The process is claimed to help restore the spiritual being's (thetan in Scientology terminology) ability to communicate with the affected area and thereby to speed healing and reduce mental trauma.[6]

The touch assist is not to be used to treat headaches, however:

"Do not do a Touch Assist on a person who has a headache. Research has shown that headaches are often the result of mental phenomena that a Touch Assist would be the incorrect handling for." (The Scientology Handbook, 1994 edition, pg.218)

It is probably the most well-known of all Scientology Assists, which also include the "Nerve Assist" and the "Unconscious Person Assist".

 
The Super Power Building in Florida, where the Super Power Rundown, intended to enhance one's "Theta Perceptics", will be given upon completion.[edit] Theta perceptics
Scientology promises the ability to hone one's "theta perceptics" (senses of the thetan rather than the physical "meat body") and promises "Communication with the theta universe" with enhanced 'perceptics' such as:

"hunches, predictions, ESP at greater and lesser distances, communication with the dead, perception of the Supreme Being, etc." (Science of Survival, 50th anniversary edition, 2001, pg. 576.)

Hubbard claims that we all have precisely 57 of these 'perceptics'. The Super Power Rundown is intended to amplify these latent abilities of the thetan by way of becoming hyper-aware of the physical "meat body". These 'perceptics' are:

Time, Sight; Taste, Color, Depth; Solidity (barriers); Relative sizes (external); Sound; Pitch; Tone; Volume; Rhythm; Smell; Touch (pressure, friction, heat or cold and oiliness); Personal emotion; Endocrine states; Awareness of awareness; Personal size; Organic sensation (including hunger); Heartbeat; Blood circulation; Cellular and bacterial position; Gravitic (self and other weights); Motion of self; Motion (exterior); Body position; Joint position; Internal temperature; External temperature; Balance; Muscular tension; Saline content of self (body); Fields/magnetic; Time track motion; Physical energy (personal weariness, etc.); Self-determinism; Moisture (self); Sound direction; Emotional state of other organs; Personal position on the tone scale; Affinity (self and others); Communication (self and others); Reality (self and others); Emotional state of groups; Compass direction; Level of consciousness; Pain; Perception of conclusions (past and present); Perception of computation (past and present); Perception of imagination (past and present); Perception of having perceived (past and present); Awareness of not knowing; Awareness of importance, unimportance; Awareness of others; Awareness of location and placement (masses, spaces and location itself); Perception of appetite; Kinesthesia.[7]

The Church describes the Super Power Rundown as "A super fantastic, but confidential series of rundowns that can be done on anybody whether Dn Clear [Dianetics Clear] or not that puts the person into fantastic shape unleashing Super Power of a thetan. This means that puts Scientologists into a new realm of ability enabling them to create a new world." (Dianetics and Scientology Technical Dictionary, 1982 hardcover edition) The exact nature of these "Super Powers" have not yet been enumerated, at least to the public.

Scientology researcher Martin Hunt says that the Super Power Rundown is "expected to make planetary clearing and the expanding of all service organizations to the size of old Saint Hill a reality". This refers to a directive issued by the Church that their primary goal must be to expand the size of all Scientology service organizations to the size that Saint Hill was in the 1960s - in other words, more than 200 staff members in each organization. [3]

The Super Power Building is currently under construction in Clearwater, Florida for the purpose of administering this rundown. However, it has been plagued with construction setbacks since its initial groundbreaking in 1998.

[edit] Telepathy and remote viewing
Two Scientologists, Hal Puthoff and Ingo Swann, researched remote viewing at Stanford Research Institute for the CIA in the 1970s.[4][5] Most of the SRI team, including project director Puthoff, and the CIA's star "psychic spies", Price and Swann, were Scientologists, a fact that skeptic Martin Gardner noted disparagingly. Puthoff and Swann were of the "original" Operating Thetan (OT) VII level (the Church has since 'changed' OT VII from the level these two completed), and credited Scientology with their success in the CIA remote viewing program.[8][9]

From the book What is Scientology?: "Can OTs read minds? ...to answer the question bluntly - yes, with varying degrees of ability". (First printing, 1978, pg.215)

[edit] Psychokinesis
Psychokinesis, also known as telekinesis, is the power to remotely move physical objects by power of one's mind alone. It has long been the position of Scientology that if a thetan were to recover his full "native" powers, he would be "at cause over matter, energy, space, time, form and life."[10]

[edit] Time travel
In the personal successes section of the official Church of Scientology magazine Advance! (#130, pgs.22-23), there is an anecdote about an Operating Thetan who claims to have walked directly into the path of an oncoming truck but saved his own life by traveling in time to before he left his home. "I made the decision instantly to turn back time," says the anonymous Scientologist, who then found himself "standing by the door I'd left not 10 seconds before - completely unscathed." The author reports being "very pleased" with his claimed OT abilities.

[edit] Independent creation of perception
In Scientology 8-8008, Hubbard states that Scientology training can make one aware of one's ability to turn illusions into MEST reality, and that even a preclear is "capable of producing illusions sufficiently strong to be observable by others".[11] Hubbard speaks of "rehabilitating" the preclear so that he "begins to recognize that his viewpoint is expanding and that he is becoming all-pervasive", and then goes on to say:

"He is above the level of energy, if one can use the term, on the same wavelength with all other beingness, a condition which does not permit differentiation. As he rehabilitates his abilities in independent creation, he can change this wavelength at will, and can go in or out of agreement with all other points of beingness. The matter of perceiving, then, becomes a matter entirely of self-choice".[12]

[edit] Cleared Theta Clear
Beyond even the powerful Operating Thetan levels comes "Cleared Theta Clear," a godlike state which Hubbard describes this way:

"A thetan who is completely rehabilitated and can do everything a thetan should do, such as move MEST and control others from a distance, or create his own universe; a person who is able to create his own universe or, living in the MEST universe is able to create illusions perceivable by others at will, to handle MEST universe objects without mechanical means and to have and feel no need of bodies or even the MEST universe to keep himself and his friends interested in existence." [13]

The ones I have done are.
Clearing: I can remember most things that have happened to me in my life accurately from birth.
Imortality: I feel that I have become immortal
Health: I get colds very very rarely and they are very slight.
ESP: I have a well developed danger sense and feel I have looking into and traveled to other dimensions.
Telepathy:I am in telepathic contact with entities
TK: I have moved a paper clip through two floors to the basement.
 Looks like I an Thetan level 6 then without giving them any money heh.
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« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2010, 07:23:37 PM »

A pill for invisibility would probably result in some sort of radioactivity or microwave emission from the body itself, basically cooking you from the inside out... Correct me if I'm wrong.

Though I guess one might, if powerful enough, be able to telepathically fool people to think you're not there. Which would have pretty much the same effect. But that's not exactly scientology-related.
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« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2010, 06:27:08 AM »

Though I guess one might, if powerful enough, be able to telepathically fool people to think you're not there. Which would have pretty much the same effect. But that's not exactly scientology-related.

Be it coincidence or skill, but on multiple occasions i seem to have done just that.  Except i use a shield programmed with the intention of  people's sight being shifted off of me.  works well to not be noticed in class (by a teacher, or 2-3 students) but on a large scale i have had no success
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