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« on: October 26, 2010, 09:07:28 PM »

I was perusing through PsiPog.net's forum archive, when I came about a post that I think should be re-posted here, so others may benefit from it.

Quote from: Martial Artist
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The following meditation is for those who would like to gain more control over their minds. It is a somewhat advanced meditation since it may not be very comfortable or relaxing in the beginning. Also the time we spend in meditation is over average. I can write a very long in depth post about this meditation, but I don't think that would be the right thing to do now, so if you have further questions of the mechanism behind it or want some more in-depth information or tips, ask.


Motionless Meditation

The idea behind this meditation is to gain mastery over the mind. As you know the mind always leads you to places and make you do things by creating a desire. The mind is most of the time not content and not in peace with the here and now, therefore it creates a desire, for example; "I should get something to eat now." Of course your body is not really hungry most times, the mind just wants to flee from it's current situation. It is not purified enough to make it tranquil and at peace with the present moment. Unfortunately, we have identified ourselves so much with the mind, that we are now fully dependent on it, and we believe that every though, and every desire, belongs to who we are. Instead, it is just the impure mind. If you can recognize this, then you already have much more control over your mind. But still.. these desires are so strong that we can hardly say no to them. This meditation aims at giving you stronger will power to be in control of the mind. We are taming it. So what to do:

+Go and sit in a comfortable posture. It must be a posture that you can hold for a long time without any movement. Perhaps you would like some stretching before you begin. Whatever feels good.

+Set a time limit between 1 hour and...as long as you wish. But decide a time before you start, and then set your stopwatch or timer on that time.

+Don't move, don't scratch, don't even wink nor move your tiny toe.


What's the point in that? Well a Tantric Yogi Master once said: "Just sit quietly for three hours in a row without moving, without even winking, then everything will be accomplished easily." Now why would that be? Because if you sit quietly for that long, and you stay focused and conscious while meditating, you will automatically become aware of the demands of the mind. The desires it throws at you. It will receive outside stimulants, it will react to that by creating a desire, so that you complete the demanded reaction. For example the mind will perceive a tingling sensation in your feet, accordingly it will try to make you move the feet. Or it will smell some nice food and create a feeling of hunger and it will demand you with its desire to get some food. But remember, the mind can never complete this process without the body. It needs the body to go and do something somewhere. So if you control your body by not moving for a long period of time, eventually the mind will just have to obey you. It will become quiet and you will be master again.

It is a very nice experience and to me this is a short-cut to mastery over the mind. It is very effective. Just sit down, don't move, and let your attention become aware of all the thoughts and desires your mind throws at you. The moment you feel you are getting a desire, try to realize what outside stimulants created that feeling, and what your mind tries to make you do. If you watch this process, you are not your mind anymore and the identification with it will gradually dissolve. And you will experience directly more control over your mind, it's desires and the things you do. After wards you will feel stability in a flexible way.

MA

PS. Remember the mind will also trick you in stopping before the end of the time, which you decided earlier. Don't give in, because then the mind is your master, instead of you being his master. Don't move, stay motionless in posture. And sit out the time you have decided. What you've decided, you must finish, That's the most crucial element of this meditation.

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« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2010, 12:46:19 AM »

I personally disagree with some of Martial Artist's claims, like there is this sense of a "higher self" that goes beyond our own thoughts (where else would they come from?). However, the topic is not about his views. For a formal critique of his guide:

I definitely agree with him about the comfortable posture suggestion. To not move for long periods of time either 1) requires the will to resist against ones urges to move or 2) have no urge to move in the first place. Obviously he is aiming for the 2nd reason, which is the easier way to go if you are not an expert. Setting the time watch also gives oneself the heads-up, and a sense of an organized practice, that the practice is legit, in the sense there is a possibility of completing it (stretch). Or the time limit can just make sure the person doesn't fall asleep; either one, ha ha ha. The only part I dislike is how he overly-generalizes the last step of his method. I think the following saying is perfect for this type of situation: "Easier said than done" (Don't know who was the first guy to say it). I must admit, teaching others how to succeed in the last step is also incredibly difficult, if you are the type of person who likes to move. It's hard to expect from anybody to clearly explain to everybody else how to follow through with the last step; can't help but at least admit the guy tried to give some honest effort.

Off-topic: Not only do I disagree with his views, but I also think he needs to add some more meat Cheesy For something abstract like the "mind", "desire", and "peace", they have to be clearly defined if they ever hope the reader can completely understand the hell they are saying. For example, it's possible to be physically at peace, but being at peace with "oneself" (mentally-speaking, as in our ego with our self-criticism) is completely different. Honestly, this practice is aimed to develop discipline over ones mind. Sure, you can develop control, but does that mean you completely understand yourself inside and out? Possibly. But it's not guaranteed. I also chuckled when he said the method is a "short-cut" to self-mastery; there are no such things as "short-cuts" when it comes to oneself, since from what experience can you compare the effort against? It's too abstract to quantify/measure (not to mention 110% biased). Mastery is not only being "the best" in a subject in terms of speed, but it's also an individual's understanding in that particular area. To connect this with psionics; you can't be considered as a master, at least by your own standing, unless 1) you have extremely fine control over/sensing of psi ("fine" being relative to what? I guess relative to how everybody else is doing, but it's more like how comfortable, and how much of an impact you can make towards your surroundings, that plays the main factors) and 2) if you have at least contributed to the field of psionics' research/ideology (no offense, but there's (biased) hardly any concrete evidence to work with supporting the notion of possibility that psi exists (shown through lack of studies)). Reason 2 indirectly shows how well you understand psionics as a whole, while exploring inside and out how, and why is, psionics important in terms of humans' perspective (this last one is not important as the first part of reason 2. Honestly, if you understand the theory/reasons behind psionics, then expanding the field with your own theories/observations isn't that difficult. Usually ones understanding in such a subjective field can be gauged by comparing your ideas with others' ideas. Scratch that last one; understanding is more from an individual effort. To be accepted as a master by others requires clear reasoning, a common ground on what are the axioms allowed between you and the others, and some form of agreement (in terms if it's possible for a certain concept to be up for interpretation) if your ideas are possible within the confined (and agreed) set of axioms). In other words, you have to understand the significance of this meditation practice, how it allows self-mastery (if it indeed does), and how this method can/cannot be refined further than it is already to start you off. These are not some easy questions to answer, so it goes to show how difficult the path to self-mastery can actually be.
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« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2010, 02:50:56 PM »

Tl:dr.  My apologies but I am busy today.

All I'm going to say is that, for the type of meditation I usually use, if you're thinking about not moving you're doing it wrong.  You should be relaxed to the point that you're naturally not moving, without having to give the slightest thought to keeping yourself still.  In fact, you shouldn't be giving the slightest thought to anything.  It's a lot like the black plant thing in the Harry Potter series.  If you completely relax and let go, you will go through.  Make any effort on your part to "make" or "force" yourself into this state and you will mess up.
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