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Notagh
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« on: September 01, 2010, 03:10:13 PM »

Is Internet Privacy a Myth?

First, let me explain the question.  Can you still have something on the internet that someone else cannot snoop on?

I'm going to have to vote yes.  AES256 seems to be easily cracked, Room 641A. (Which, btw seems totally innocent if you scratch the "Clearance Required" part.)*

Tor has been violated before, there are flaws, etc.
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hepting_v._AT%26T

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« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2010, 10:59:05 PM »

It doesn't matter how many proxies you go through, how many different IP's you use, how many MAC addresses you change, how many different computers you use, how many different ISP's you use, nor how you talk on the internet.  You can be found, tracked, and located in the matter of seconds.

Nothing is private.
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« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2010, 10:42:32 AM »

Thats not entirely true.  The problem with internet privacy is people's greed.  Lets say you set your connection to go through, say, 4 proxies.  There is a SIGNIFICANT chance that each one of those proxies are going to log you.  The webmaster of the proxy wants to log their activity for statistical purposes (to determine whether the proxy is being used, by whom, etc).  Because all those proxies are being logged, you can be found.

However, if there is a proxy somewhere (there probably are a COUPLE) who actually log absolutely nothing (this means disabling internal system logging as well), THEN the trail would stop there.  Unfortunately, it is impossible to actually know who logs what.  A webmaster can say "oh, yeah, we don't log anything", but that doesn't mean they don't.  Maybe the webmaster isn't actually logging anything, but isn't experienced enough to realize that the internal operating system is logging anything anyway (logs all connections into and out of the computer).

So in response to The Adfeng, I would say that while it is possible to completely hide yourself, it is hard.  If you set up the proxy yourself, that proxy would lead to you, so you always have to rely on others.  Unless, of course, you pull the "oh, I just run the proxy....someone else used it to do something" card  Wink (don't do this....you are liable for anything that happens under your proxy if you cannot point to someone else).


Now, in response to Notagh, yes, you can have things on the internet that no one can snoop on.  While internet service providers can always snoop on connections, it is a lot harder to snoop on data (not to mention encrypted data).  If you are worried about the ease of decryption, just make your own encryption and don't use a mainstream encryption type.  If everyone knows that the data is encrypted with, say, Base64 (please don't ever encrypt sensitive info with this.....its a non-cypher encryption), it will be extremely easy for people to reverse engineer the encryption type since they know exactly what it is.  However, if you make your own, no one knows exactly how it is encrypted which makes decryption infinitely harder (of course, you must always account for bruteforcing, but thats easy...just use a passkey thats longer than 8 characters (if its a passkey encryption)).


Does this make sense?  Sorry, I don't have time to read over my post....class time!
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« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2010, 08:29:35 PM »

Makes plenty of sense, from what I can tell.  
EDIT: I suppose Google Analytics counts as a logger?  Or am I wrong.
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« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2010, 08:39:10 PM »

Yes, it does.  Any website that is linked can log activity; even if its just an image.  All that really matters, however, is to have no ads on the first proxy that is used (the one that should not be logging anything).
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« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2011, 08:53:11 PM »

Anyone can be tracked, given enough time and effort. Its merely a matter of whether your stalker wants to take the necessary time and effort.
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« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2011, 11:49:20 PM »

If there's one thing I've learned it's that it doesn't matter what's supposed to be possible, if you're good enough with a computer and a phone, it's possible.
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« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2011, 04:55:52 AM »

Blargh this reminds of DLD(DataLagringDirektivet) which applies here in Norway -.- which roughly in english means the DataSavingDirective. This is idea suddenly came forth in some EU guys heads... They log information about our internet usage, where we go and etc. The right wings party in Norway approved of this idea. Everthing we have done on the internet for the past 6 months i believe is saved on a server. The main problem is that if you are good enough with hacking you can extract information through it. So basicly all a psychopathic freak needs to do hack the server and find all of the information neatly organised in an all you can grab buffet...
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« Reply #8 on: December 27, 2011, 05:51:34 AM »

Almost everything you do on the Internet is logged in some way. Your ISP probably does have logs of pretty much everything you do. There are definitely ways to circumvent most of this (Tor, proxy servers, etc.), but no amount of effort will make you truly anonymous on the Internet, except not having a computer (and in Germany, even then you can be fined for illegally downloading copyrighted material).
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