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[surliat]

I've heard of animal telepathy, but has anyone here communicated with something non-living? Like a rock, for example. Could this be possible?

[issacweirdo]

I've heard of animal telepathy, but has anyone here communicated with something non-living? Like a rock, for example. Could this be possible?

Meh. People argue that even non-living things can have thoughts, though I would say that's stupid because in order to have thoughts one needs a brain, or at least a structure which functions similar to that of a brain. It honestly depends on where you think thoughts come from. Is a thought something physical, or something astral?

[stolide]

It would certainly be possible (assuming standard theories of energetic existence) that one could "speak" with the thoughts or subtle energy associated with a rock.

[Shinichi]

It's not a matter of talking, but a matter of listening.

Go ahead and scan some rocks and see what kind of memories they hold. ~_^



~:Shin:~

[surliat]

It's not a matter of talking, but a matter of listening.

Go ahead and scan some rocks and see what kind of memories they hold. ~_^



~:Shin:~

I did it on a stone I found in my backyard and learned a bit about its "life". I might even try this on other non-living things like sea-shells or something man-made like computers. I'm starting to think this is more like psychomety than telepathy.

[Shinichi]

Conscious telepathy is nothing more then scanning a person for thoughts, conscious empathy is nothing more scanning a person for feelings, and psychometry is nothing more then scanning an object for a thoughts, feelings, or other mental and energy patterns attached to the object.

So like kinesis, it doesn't matter if you use a fancy name to describe what you use it on--it's still kinesis. Or in this case, scanning.



~:Shin:~

[issacweirdo]

Conscious telepathy is nothing more then scanning a person for thoughts, conscious empathy is nothing more scanning a person for feelings, and psychometry is nothing more then scanning an object for a thoughts, feelings, or other mental and energy patterns attached to the object.

So like kinesis, it doesn't matter if you use a fancy name to describe what you use it on--it's still kinesis. Or in this case, scanning.



~:Shin:~

See though, in order for telepathy to exist the thing with which you are communicating must reply with its own thoughts. The object is simply holding anothers thoughts, but never did possess its own. Therefore it must be psychometry and not telepathy, since technically you are scanning anothers thoughts that only happened to be attached to an object. But like you said, it ultimately boils down to scanning. The only difference is the manner on which the thoughts were scanned.

[psiman]

Yes,this has to be psychometry.

[Shinichi]

See though, in order for telepathy to exist the thing with which you are communicating must reply with its own thoughts. The object is simply holding anothers thoughts, but never did possess its own. Therefore it must be psychometry and not telepathy, since technically you are scanning anothers thoughts that only happened to be attached to an object. But like you said, it ultimately boils down to scanning. The only difference is the manner on which the thoughts were scanned.

Telepathy is the scanning for reception of thoughts from the target, and does not rely on the target consciously sending thoughts. Likewise, empathy is the scanning for reception of emotions, and does not rely on the target consciously sending emotions. Sending thoughts and feelings is Suggestion, and is a completely different skill. Reception and Projection, Scanning and Suggestion. Pretty much every mental ability I've ever seen in psionics boils down to these two core skills--the only variable is how they are applied.

Yes, by the currently standard terminology, the practice discussed in this thread is a form of Psychometry--but like Kinesis, it doesn't matter if you call it Telepathy or Empathy or Psychometry or Remote Viewing or Clairvoyance or whatever else--it always comes down to the same things at it's core, regardless of who or what you use it on for whichever form of information you are looking for, or how that information got there in the first place.

I've always found it curious that Kinesis has outgrown this, yet Scanning and Suggestion hasn't yet. But it doesn't matter, time and experimentation reveals all truth.



~:Shin:~

[issacweirdo]

http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Atelepathy&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
The target must possess a mind of its own in order for it to be labeled as "telepathy".

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=Dxc&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=define%3Aempathy&btnG=Search
To possess the ability of empathy is to mimic and experience anothers feelings. The keyword is "another", which is to state another mind that possesses emotions. You are getting your definitions mixed up man; both telepathy and empathy are dependent on scanning from another mind. The emotions/thoughts do not entirely compose up a mind, but are simply byproducts. A target that has no mind, but still has emotions/thoughts in which you are reading would be called psychometry.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=Udx&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=define%3Apsychometry&btnG=Search

Even though the target does not need to consciously send out thoughts, the target must possess a mind from which the thoughts can originate from (and emotions) in order for the skills to be called telepathy/empathy. Sending thoughts and feelings is not suggestion either, since suggestion is a conscious action, yet to send thoughts and feelings can also be done unconsciously. Reception and scanning are the same skills as well. Isn't that four skills mentioned already?

The way it was labeled differently is due to reasons: to differentiate the two terms from normal scanning. Not only is the scanning for a specific purpose, but it also differentiates between things that can feel/think on its own, and things that can simply have attached feelings/thoughts. Though you are right that boiled down they have the same core, just applied differently, scanning for an emotion from an alive and scanning for an emotion from one of your Grandmas heirlooms is entirely different based on its use. It's easier to state "telepathy" and "empathy" as separate terms, since it would be too tedious to constantly say "scanning for a thought from an intelligent being" and "scanning for an emotion from an intelligent being", respectively.
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[Shinichi]

So I'm wrong but I'm right?  Meh, I'll make a full reply when I can use my left hand again. It decided to get injured today. lol



~:Shin:~

[issacweirdo]

So I'm wrong but I'm right?  Meh, I'll make a full reply when I can use my left hand again. It decided to get injured today. lol

Essentially you are wrong at the notion there is no difference between the definitions of empathy and telepathy, but you are right that they come from the same core, which is to scan energy.

[Shinichi]

I wasnt trying to say that, per se, Aero Kinesis and Pyro Kinesis are different so far as definition goes, but so far as practical skill goes they are both kinesis.

My point was that telepathy and empathy are both scanning like the above examples are both kinesis, regardless of other factors. But my point seems to have strayed, as usual. lol



~:Shin:~

[issacweirdo]

I wasnt trying to say that, per se, Aero Kinesis and Pyro Kinesis are different so far as definition goes, but so far as practical skill goes they are both kinesis.

My point was that telepathy and empathy are both scanning like the above examples are both kinesis, regardless of other factors. But my point seems to have strayed, as usual. lol



~:Shin:~

Oh, that is what you were talking about? Adding the -kinesis part honestly confused me.

[Shinichi]

It's alright. I seem to have that effect on people. xD



~:Shin:~

[The Adfeng]

I doubt that rocks would have a consciousness for you to talk to.  Hilariously today I was talking about a rock in biology...