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« on: June 11, 2010, 01:37:28 AM »

Now, Notagh said something about psionicsonline showing other peoples' ip addresses and how that annoys him. Intrigued, and yes you do have impact on others Notagh (!), I visited the site. So I was unsure where to look for the logs, leading me to look inside the research section. I'm easily distracted, so I looked at the available grants section. Chose the Perrott-Warrick grant; funny names, yadidi mean? Went down, read the damn thing, then clicked on the first conference paper: Why psi tells us nothing about consciousness. (http://www.susanblackmore.co.uk/Conferences/tucson96.html
Now, before any of you starting throwing stones at me let me ask you guys to take a brief look at it. Do I completely agree with this dude? I don't know. I mostly have no idea of what data he is talking about, but it is definitely motivating me to look at it. I have thought about consciousness to an extent, but I thought humans lacked the technology to even make accurate observations in the first place. Not only that, but I thought consciousness in general was subjective. This is starting to challenge me a little bit. Is this life-changing? Probably not. But I want to see two sides of the whole psi debate, only for it to be divided even further: the two main ones are "people with degrees" and the average joe. The debate does NOT end there though. There is mainstream science which believes psi is hokey-pokey, while there are sincerely people, like parapsychologists, who want to try to observe the so-called "hokey-pokey". Average joes, at least most of them, say psi does not exist IN PUBLIC. Yet ask them privately and they tend to have either an agnostic or religious type of view towards the afterlife. Hell, some of them still believe in the "we only use 10% of our brain" myth (we would be dead or incredibly stupid). The other half don't give a damn what others think about them and believe there really IS something that went bump last night. Mostly religious people, however there has been uncommon agnostics, and EXTREMELY RARE atheists (yes, I know one who believes in psi and what not) that are with the psi-believers who are average joes. Of course, this is a horribly brief overview of the whole system. We have the whole system, a penny, while there are two sides on the whole psi issue, heads and tails. However, pay a little bit more attention to its design and you can see it is even further divided, like something else (I don't know how to relate this back to a penny...)
I would consider myself as the average joe who does not believe in psi phenomenon. Without a degree I can't do much, but that is what the press and media in general is for. So I am just an average joe just trying to relay what the people with degrees are arguing about. Since this is a forum full of psions I thought this was an interesting article. Feel free to look at more articles on psionics online; it ain't my site.
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« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2010, 03:05:01 PM »

Now, Notagh said something about psionicsonline showing other peoples' ip addresses and how that annoys him. Intrigued, and yes you do have impact on others Notagh (!), I visited the site. So I was unsure where to look for the logs, leading me to look inside the research section. I'm easily distracted, so I looked at the available grants section. Chose the Perrott-Warrick grant; funny names, yadidi mean? Went down, read the damn thing, then clicked on the first conference paper: Why psi tells us nothing about consciousness. (http://www.susanblackmore.co.uk/Conferences/tucson96.html
Now, before any of you starting throwing stones at me let me ask you guys to take a brief look at it. Do I completely agree with this dude? I don't know. I mostly have no idea of what data he is talking about, but it is definitely motivating me to look at it. I have thought about consciousness to an extent, but I thought humans lacked the technology to even make accurate observations in the first place. Not only that, but I thought consciousness in general was subjective. This is starting to challenge me a little bit. Is this life-changing? Probably not. But I want to see two sides of the whole psi debate, only for it to be divided even further: the two main ones are "people with degrees" and the average joe. The debate does NOT end there though. There is mainstream science which believes psi is hokey-pokey, while there are sincerely people, like parapsychologists, who want to try to observe the so-called "hokey-pokey". Average joes, at least most of them, say psi does not exist IN PUBLIC. Yet ask them privately and they tend to have either an agnostic or religious type of view towards the afterlife. Hell, some of them still believe in the "we only use 10% of our brain" myth (we would be dead or incredibly stupid). The other half don't give a damn what others think about them and believe there really IS something that went bump last night. Mostly religious people, however there has been uncommon agnostics, and EXTREMELY RARE atheists (yes, I know one who believes in psi and what not) that are with the psi-believers who are average joes. Of course, this is a horribly brief overview of the whole system. We have the whole system, a penny, while there are two sides on the whole psi issue, heads and tails. However, pay a little bit more attention to its design and you can see it is even further divided, like something else (I don't know how to relate this back to a penny...)
I would consider myself as the average joe who does not believe in psi phenomenon. Without a degree I can't do much, but that is what the press and media in general is for. So I am just an average joe just trying to relay what the people with degrees are arguing about. Since this is a forum full of psions I thought this was an interesting article. Feel free to look at more articles on psionics online; it ain't my site.

Meh.  The paper makes good points on refuting the seemingly air-tight experiments done that are, in fact, quite not.  It does not, of course, disprove psi either.  
Its consciousness debate is semi-irrelevant to me.  All these factors lead to.... Meh.
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« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2010, 05:56:11 PM »

I'm interested in the whole consciousness thing, so maybe posting was a little bit biased...
Aye, it does not disprove psi. The dude makes it clear. I don't know enough to show consciousness is after the brains workings, but it makes sense to me why it would. I am planning to pull off the greatest feat in history once I get my hands on more powerful and potent technology, while getting a degree in physics and neurology/psychology  Cheesy (!!!)
For the time being, this is all I can muster with my current state. But hey, I appreciate you for sharing your personal opinion.

Hm, reading it now again your post are you saying the connection between consciousness and psi is irrelevant? I might have stated it wrong, so please correct me.
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« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2010, 09:40:34 PM »

I'm interested in the whole consciousness thing, so maybe posting was a little bit biased...
Aye, it does not disprove psi. The dude makes it clear. I don't know enough to show consciousness is after the brains workings, but it makes sense to me why it would. I am planning to pull off the greatest feat in history once I get my hands on more powerful and potent technology, while getting a degree in physics and neurology/psychology  Cheesy (!!!)
For the time being, this is all I can muster with my current state. But hey, I appreciate you for sharing your personal opinion.

Hm, reading it now again your post are you saying the connection between consciousness and psi is irrelevant? I might have stated it wrong, so please correct me.
Of course that's relevant, but I'm looking at it from my point of view, and the things that might interest a psychologist in this debate might not interest me.
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« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2010, 11:44:16 PM »

Ah, got you. That makes more sense now.
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