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[sasoonsarkisian]

Hey people ..

I've been active and inactive over the years in various psionic forums under the alias 'Wolverine', some of you might remember me from PsiPog and the like ..
anyway reason for my post is that I had a really unnatural experience today. I stopped practising TK a few weeks ago and my life has been relatively normal since then. I don't do anything psionic much anymore.
But today i think i astral projected, i'm not sure what it was to be honest. I was sleeping in cause its my day off, and i was in a dreamy state. You know that falling feeling that you get when you zone out? I started feeling pulses of that, like i was falling out of my body. I don't think it was astral projection though.
Anyway, i saw someone at the foot of my door. it was a female shadowy silhouette, long hair. it didnt move and wierd thing is i wasnt looking at it, my head was under my pillow but i KNEW it was there. it talked to me, it was english but it didnt make sense at all, i remember the word index for some reason ... and the voice was feminine at first but then it became like a really low masculine growl. the sentences were jumbled and whispers at times but it got louder. i was afraid to move, heard footsteps, but then my mum woke me up ... what the hell do you think happened? demon? astral projection? ill be honest i actually dont want to sleep tonight cause that experience freaked the hell out of me .. i dont know what ill do if it happens again! can anyone shed light on the situation?

thanks guys ..

EDIT- i left out a really important detail. I felt a crushing feeling. like the woman demon/whatever it was was on top of me and crushing me. it felt like a massive person made of psi, it had that psi feeling, i could feel it. it wasnt like the weight of a normal physical object, you know?

[Thion]

Umm, honestly you haven't gave too much information for us to act on. There are different kinds of astral entities, some are good, some are bad. My advice would be to sleep and see if all of this will happen again. If it does, pay attention and don't be afraid - it can't really harm you if you will feel no fear. But if you do, try to visualize this entity wearing a pink dress, see if that help

Maybe someone have another advice?

[bobsackamo]

Umm, honestly you haven't gave too much information for us to act on. There are different kinds of astral entities, some are good, some are bad. My advice would be to sleep and see if all of this will happen again. If it does, pay attention and don't be afraid - it can't really harm you if you will feel no fear. But if you do, try to visualize this entity wearing a pink dress, see if that help

Maybe someone have another advice?

I don't personally think entities are really good or bad, they are more neutral and interpretted in different ways. I agree, having fear can only make the situation worse...but that it can't harm you if you feel no fear doesn't much apply. I've experienced situations in which irrational fears were forced upon me and made the situation seem much worse than it really needed to be. But if you are not fearful, it is much less likely that they will act in a negative way towards you.

I personally think you just partially had an OBE and met a spirit...but you couldn't comprehend because it wasn't your full consciousness being projected through OBE. If it was a demon, then that would mean it wouldn't be an Astral Projection either, that would be Etheric projection. Which is possible as well. But what most don't realize is that demons aren't all as bad as portrayed, so try not to make the situation worse than it needs to be. I've heard situations where people think they are being attacked, where really the demon, spirit, entity, or whatever it is, is just trying to get the attention of the person because they would like help.

[Notagh]

When you mentioned that "crushing pressure" on your chest, it really helped my hypothesis.
In this case I would assume you didn't astral project and that it was a bad dream.^
It's, from what I've heard, a rather common dream in which some scary thingy is on your chest and you dream you're awake and you feel that "crushing pressure".  Pretty sure there's a scientific explanation for it, something psychological or/and biological.. I'll go check
^{^You might have started to astral project and the projection data got mixed up with the bad dream.}

Edit: There we go.  It was most likely sleep paralysis.  Though, I should still recommend placing defenses on yourself, checking if there's negative emotions screwing with your ability to defend yourself, ect.  All the usual precautions that you should be taking a.t.m. if you're not already.

[Conrad]

Notagh pretty much has it. I think they're called night terrors? May be wrong on the name, but I can definitely give you the scientific explanation. Basically, your mind wakes up before your body does. This causes a few bad effects. First, you can hardly move, if you can move at all. Some people experience a crushing on their chest because those muscles are partially asleep as well. The worst part of this, is that sometimes you can open your eyes and see hallucinations.

There have been a few historical cases where women were burnt at the stake because people saw them come into their rooms at night and sit on their chest all while laughing maniacally. The woman sitting on your chest is a common version.

I've had a few. I'll recount one of my experiences, and we'll see if it matches yours in any way.

Wake up, feel, but not see someone coming to hurt/kill me. Can sense them coming down the hallway outside my bedroom. Try to move to be able to fight back, but motionless except for a few minor tremors and my eyes being able to move. Then you try to yell for help, but nothing comes out, like your voice is trapped.

Don't worry, no harm can come from this, other than what fear can do to you.

[sasoonsarkisian]

I think you're right Notagh. I just googled it myself, plenty of experiences with shadow people and the crushing feeling. Thing is, it was my first time and i was absolutely TERRIFIED! I could feel someone watching me, and then I saw her at the foot of my door, and I couldn't move .. just terrible stuff. hopefully it wont happen again .. thanks for clearing that up though. do you reckon psionics might have anything to do with it?

[Notagh]

I think you're right Notagh. I just googled it myself, plenty of experiences with shadow people and the crushing feeling. Thing is, it was my first time and i was absolutely TERRIFIED! I could feel someone watching me, and then I saw her at the foot of my door, and I couldn't move .. just terrible stuff. hopefully it wont happen again .. thanks for clearing that up though. do you reckon psionics might have anything to do with it?

The probability that it was a night terror is high.  The probability that psionics was involved is low.
However, there's a probability that it was a combination of both.

[TheTemplarRed]

Night Terrors Suck Big Fat Balls. I get them when I am under a lot of stress. It freaks my wife out when It happens too. I will sit up or jerk up out of a dead sleep with my eyes open and a look of terror on my face w/o a sound, I usually fall back asleep. When I was in High school I remember the worse one that ever happened I was at my friends house sleeping over and I woke up sat bolt up at the waist and saw a what looked to be a pale blue old woman above me, I could not move at all. As I woke up more and regained control the old lady glided back and faded away. Scary Scary Crap. When she was above me I felt like my chest was being crushed also.

Edit:  Eh... don't say that..(the strikethrough).

[TheDreadPirateXot]

What if it's not a night terror ?

[TheTemplarRed]

I suppose its possible, my world/religious/metaphysical/psi views do allow for such things as demons and angels. I have personally seen creatures that are not purely physical.

[dude741]

I suppose its possible, my world/religious/metaphysical/psi views do allow for such things as demons and angels. I have personally seen creatures that are not purely physical.

Yay,
I am not alone with this.  Sweet.

anyway,  there is likley a scientific reason behind it, OR (pycho talk coming) all those past experiences were just rationalizations that doctors used to explain such events in the past.  personally, i have been fully awake in mid day at work and i will "see" people (like when i see psi) or beings that arent really there.  they are like ghosts, but they are active.  i saw a french woman yelling at a bananna display at my local grocery store.  when i asked my co worker if he saw a lady by the bannanas, he looked at me like i was nuts and said no. 

then again,  scientists may be right and that could have just been a night terror/ sleep paraliysis



My belife is that there is more to this world then we know and those with the psionic abilities have the potential to veiw that other part and learn more from it.

[Birth]

Hahaha, I had something similar. It was like an irony-type thing.

I awoken because my arms were numb. I couldn't move them at all. My friend was sleeping on my bed and I turned to look at him, randomly. I saw an old old old lady, sort of like those story time Witches, sleeping in my bed in his place. Hahah my first reaction was to punch, but I couldn't move my arms. As I continued to look more in detail, his face turned back to normal. I say it's Irony because he's a pretty-boy. Scary, nonetheless. We had a nice laugh about it later.

Hallucination, definately. Night terror, of course.

[glopso]

Technically, everything perceived by you that is internal is a hallucination. In fact, when you "see" psi or an entity or something, you are looking at an hallucination created by your sub-c that represents what you are sensing, seeing (no pun intended) as you can't see psi with your normal eyes.

[MNBrant]

Yeah I have had alot of exp with demons but have never seen one really. If you saw it in a dream it was a dream unless you were able to interact normally with the demon in your dream. (most dreams are programmed). I heard a demon in a dream but there was no image. Basically all I did was try to wake up as fast as I could. (kind of like when you hear a loud noise).

[glopso]

What if your interaction with the demon is programmed?

And besides, even being able to interact with it it would be more likely that you are interacting of a part of your dream rather than an actual demon.

[MNBrant]

I don't really want to hijack the thread but contact with demons in dreams is more like a door being slammed loudly that a cutsy dream. I really don't recommend it.

[glopso]

I don't really want to hijack the thread but contact with demons in dreams is more like a door being slammed loudly that a cutsy dream. I really don't recommend it.

So demons are really just manifestations of the quantum irregularities caused by slamming doors?

In other words, I did not get what you said.

[Jeremy5]

Technically, everything perceived by you that is internal is a hallucination. In fact, when you "see" psi or an entity or something, you are looking at an hallucination created by your sub-c that represents what you are sensing, seeing (no pun intended) as you can't see psi with your normal eyes.

Not to be too scientific, but technically everything is a hallucination created by your brain to make the reflections and refractions of light into interpretable signals. So you could, in theory, train your eyes to see different spectrums of light, or even see different types of energy, even psi, which i have heard is actually something similar to nucleonic energy.

[stolide]

Technically, everything perceived by you that is internal is a hallucination. In fact, when you "see" psi or an entity or something, you are looking at an hallucination created by your sub-c that represents what you are sensing, seeing (no pun intended) as you can't see psi with your normal eyes.

Not to be too scientific, but technically everything is a hallucination created by your brain to make the reflections and refractions of light into interpretable signals. So you could, in theory, train your eyes to see different spectrums of light, or even see different types of energy, even psi, which i have heard is actually something similar to nucleonic energy.

Cut the pseudoscience bull **** please.

Thank you.

[Notagh]

Technically, everything perceived by you that is internal is a hallucination. In fact, when you "see" psi or an entity or something, you are looking at an hallucination created by your sub-c that represents what you are sensing, seeing (no pun intended) as you can't see psi with your normal eyes.

Not to be too scientific, but technically everything is a hallucination created by your brain to make the reflections and refractions of light into interpretable signals. So you could, in theory, train your eyes to see different spectrums of light, or even see different types of energy, even psi, which i have heard is actually something similar to nucleonic energy.

Cut the pseudoscience bull **** please.

Thank you.

:/  Dude the part of the spectrum of light is called "visible light" for a reason.  The other parts have different names, like "x-ray" and "will give you skin cancer" and "Re: Nuclear Bombs".  So, no on the whole "seeing eye" training.  Re:energy, do you know what nucleonic is?  It's the thing that lets Magnus effect happen.  Not sure how you got that -> Psi.