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[meushiman]

I am going to give you a link from the discovery channel site, specificallly mythbusters.  I have took the liberty of trying to explain to people the nature of psionics and I am being swallowed alive guys.  I need help, the disbelief is killing me.  Adfeng you mentioned your skill in predicting a given set of numbers not seen by you on the site about the contest.  Do you mind doing another test?  I never said you would on the site, I only mentioned might.  Come on guys, the site is supposed to bring about "The Rebirth of Psionics" so why not?  Here's the site:
http://community.discovery.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=6941912904&f=9701967776&m=35419579301&r=64619520401#64619520401

[The Adfeng]

Tell them that psionics is not just a thing to see into the future or precog, it's not.  It's about all the other things that come with it.  I'll PM you what the numbers I see are.  It's been a while so I bet I won't make over 70%, if that.  I'm sorry.

Tell BlackZero there's not a line there because we don't want to be recognized.  I, if I took on the challenge, don't want to be questioned how, don't want to be questioned why, don't want to be bombarded with all these questions.  That's what a majority of us don't want.  Then you have your fakes that claim to be able to but don't.

Ask them themselves to try and get 75% on a 50 number thing like I did.  I doubt they could.  Also, no one is perfect. 

[Skeptic Psion]

"Can't we all just learn to sing to a song?"
Just kidding, but seriously, why? What would be the point of trying to prove it to people. There's always going to be one person who will say it is no such thing. I prefer to just let them live their life the way they want to. If they ask me to prove it, I could try, but if I failed, it would only affirm them that there was no such thing. So, I prefer to let them be.
You may not think that way, so, go ahead and try to prove it to them. I will help if you ask, though, ^^.

[The Adfeng]

That's how I feel, but they don't have to believe, it's not my job to prove it to them. 

[BladeEdge]

Just drop it then. Since belief is a factor, proof will be like finding god. If you believe, your theory will make sense, but if not, your idea won't be accepted. We also have the ideas given by society and the majority of the media against us.

[meushiman]

Alright thanks, I guess

[Notagh]

I'll run this experiment for you guys if you want

I'd request the numbers be generated by a -real- RNG, of course.

[meushiman]

Sure, whatever that is.  But, right now I need an experiment that they can all try that'll prove psionics.  I said that practicing it would prove it, but they're all too stubborn and it wouldn't work because they think it wouldn't.  Any suggestions?

[Oreus]

But, right now I need an experiment that they can all try that'll prove psionics.  I said that practicing it would prove it, but they're all too stubborn and it wouldn't work because they think it wouldn't.  Any suggestions?

What you're looking for here is the holy grail of parapsychology. An easily-repeatable, irrefutable test that easily shows psi effects. Unfortunately, such a test doesn't yet exist. The closest thing we've got is the Autoganzfeld test, but that requires a lab and considerable research funding.

Also unfortunate for us is the fact that, aside from that holy grail test, there's nothing that the critics will accept. This is the reason I've stopped trying to prove psi to anyone. I just refuse to play by their rules.

[meushiman]

Could you explain the test, please?

So, you're quitting on what seems like the main goal of this website?

[zelvicx2059]

But there are risks if the major public knows and somebody from this proves it. One can use it for evil.

[Oreus]

Could you explain the test, please?

So, you're quitting on what seems like the main goal of this website?

The autoganzfeld is a telepathy test using sensory deprivation in the receiver. They listen to whit noise, and have their eyes covered with halved ping-pong balls, in a room lit red. The sender is in a different room, and selects one target of four, and his selection is unknown to either the receiver or experimenter. He sends it, and the receiver speaks aloud what she picks up. The sender can hear this in real-time in order to improve his sending method. Afterward, the receiver is played a recording of what she said and uses it along with her memory to select which target was sent.

I've stopped trying to prove psi to people who believe it's an impossibility, haven't looked at the research, and are more interested in showing me to be a fool than the truth. I'll attempt a demonstration for anyone who's open-minded, has done a little serious reading on the subject, and is willing to change their mind. But if they're adamant that we're all frauds, liars, or crazy, then they don't deserve my time, effort, or attention.

[meushiman]

Thank you

Yeah, good point.  Oh and Zelvicx, someone who wanted to use it for evil would most likely be too impatient to get good at it and take shortcuts and what not

[Skeptic Psion]

Could you explain the test, please?

So, you're quitting on what seems like the main goal of this website?

The autoganzfeld is a telepathy test using sensory deprivation in the receiver. They listen to whit noise, and have their eyes covered with halved ping-pong balls, in a room lit red. The sender is in a different room, and selects one target of four, and his selection is unknown to either the receiver or experimenter. He sends it, and the receiver speaks aloud what she picks up. The sender can hear this in real-time in order to improve his sending method. Afterward, the receiver is played a recording of what she said and uses it along with her memory to select which target was sent.

I've stopped trying to prove psi to people who believe it's an impossibility, haven't looked at the research, and are more interested in showing me to be a fool than the truth. I'll attempt a demonstration for anyone who's open-minded, has done a little serious reading on the subject, and is willing to change their mind. But if they're adamant that we're all frauds, liars, or crazy, then they don't deserve my time, effort, or attention.

What kind of demonstration?

[Notagh]

1) Generate 50 random numbers from data generated by atmospheric noise or nuclear degeneration.*

2) Send to 2-3 TRUSTED people and have them keep the copy.

3) Ask test subject(s) to use whatever psionic method at their disposal to figure out the 50 numbers.

4) Send results to ALL the trusted people and have them all post the real numbers at the same predefined time on an online forum.

5) See if results match.

6) Calculate random probability of results.

7) Rinse n repeat!

* A nice preset?  3 trusted, 1 week limit, 50 numbers of range 1-10 all positive integers.

Verifiable testing is easy. Having the courage to balls up and prove something to skeptics is slightly more difficult. So there, that's proof, assuming trusted people are reliable. Now if we don't prove this to them we will be proving something else to them: That they are correct to accuse us of shying away from a challenge to provide proof yet again.

Don't let this disgrace fall upon us, peeps! Let's do this!

{I have generated 50 numbers 1-10 positive integers. PM me if you want to be a trusted or if you want to participate. PROOF TIME!}

Someone please repost on the mythbusters forum. I will of course take some trusteds from that forum as well to provide extra verification.

Numbers CAN REPEAT!

EDIT: I will not be taking any trusted people from this forum, sorry. Those skeptics sure are paranoid 0.o

////////Begin Experiment

Apply for experiment by pming me.
50 positive integers from 1-10, can be repeated.
Guess all 50, in no particular order, to me and send as PM as well as posting online on or before Jan 21, 2010.
This is -preliminary testing- to establish logical baselines, so you should guess.
Actual testing will use the same numbers and same case, but with psionic means only.
ONLY ONE guess ticket per person to make the probability easier.

Guess ticket format as follows:

Name:
Date: mm/dd/yyyy

Numbers
x x x x x x x x x x
x x x x x x x x x x
x x x x x x x x x x
x x x x x x x x x x
x x x x x x x x x x

Verification Code: {Code given by pm after you pm me with request to try.}

/end ticket

/end experiment.

Changes to experiment can be suggested to me on or before the end of preliminary testing, 1/21/10

Please post copy of this post on the mythbusters forum.

Note proof that numbers are accurate and valid from random.org will have a screenshot of the numbers in random.org form with timestamp provided by the site, as such

except these are not the numbers being used.


NOTE: Timestamp of numbers being used is Timestamp: 2010-01-18 21:35:56 UTC
Someone please repost this text to QFT, as well as saving a copy to ensure I do not edit anything.
This post will not be re-edited.

Post and experiment moved to http://shiftedperspectives.net/forum/index.php/topic,1120.0.html

[meushiman]

Wow, that's a lot to take in, but I'll do it!

[stolide]

Why is it important to you to prove psionics?

[Cal]

Wow. I've just read that conversation. They class psionics as the kind of people you see in tents with crystal balls. If they are going to argue they should at least do some research on the subject, instead of just taking ideas out movies and stuff. They put things like, " make a prediction for February", things like that. I don't know if you guys do, but I don't sit around with a crystal ball and tarot cards all day.

(sorry if that comment did actually offend anyone, with the tarot cards and all of that.)

[meushiman]

I know!

[Notagh]

Why is it important to you to prove psionics?

If you're talking to me, I don't much care to be honest but I have to admit it'd be a real riot to stick it to the skeptics.